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Lead fall Hard Rock CBD

SteveC
25/07/2008
7:00:04 PM
The accident would never have happened if the gyms actually did their job of teaching aspiring leaders the fundamental rule that all good climbers lead by:
The Leader must Never fall.

OzA
28/07/2008
8:24:49 AM
On 25/07/2008 SteveC wrote:
>The accident would never have happened if the gyms actually did their job
>of teaching aspiring leaders the fundamental rule that all good climbers
>lead by:
>The Leader must Never fall.
>

Great in theory, but one day you will fall and if you don't practice falling properly you will end up like a bug on a windscreen wiper.

ado_m
28/07/2008
9:54:22 AM
"Also, gyms are far more dangerous than outdoors. I've left a gym in ambulance 3 times. And 90% (from the report released in 05) of climbing injuries happen in the gym, possibly because of this safe feeling"....

Climbed any seacliffs?

Really man, 3 serious accidents in gyms!? Perhaps you need better choice of belayer? If you know how to tie in, double back your harness, know how to fall and have a decent belayer, there is no reason to get hurt.



red
28/07/2008
10:49:53 AM
The gym accidents I've seen have predominately been experienced climbers who have just got complacent and slack.. Beginners tend to be a minority because they don't know any different.. it's once you start cutting corners cause " I can lead 20" things get scary

evanbb
28/07/2008
11:14:19 AM
On 28/07/2008 ado_m wrote:
>"Also, gyms are far more dangerous than outdoors. I've left a gym in ambulance
>3 times. And 90% (from the report released in 05) of climbing injuries
>happen in the gym, possibly because of this safe feeling"....
>
>Climbed any seacliffs?
>
>Really man, 3 serious accidents in gyms!?

Yeah I love the seacliffs. I explained this in another post further up the list, but the injuries were shoulder dislocations. And I do believe it is mostly because of the 'safe' feeling. Where you stop concentrating, and try and 'train' rather than 'climb'. I've climbed a lot outdoors, mostly leading trad, and never even broken a nail, mostly because I'm so bloody switched on, trying not to die. In the gym though, with big mats, belay bolts, colour coded climbs etc, I've lost concentration and slipped my socket.

westie
28/07/2008
1:25:14 PM
On 23/07/2008 kezza wrote:
>The thing is westie, they don't know you from a bar of soap, you could
>be a climber of 10 years or 10 minutes. Unless they know you personally
>they have all the rights to presume your a newbie and don't know how to
>lower safely.

fair enough.

>Especially if your talking to staff like that, more reason for them to
>pick on your every slight wrong movement.

no choice! the climber was only a few feet from her head. She did watch me a little closely for the rest of the night actually. Whatever. I fell off one climb and she grinned from ear to ear. hahahaha.

>Vote with your feet if you are that unsatisfied. Take it up with the manager
>right there and then if it bothers you so much instead of coming online
>with the hope they read it.

Dude?! I climb their as its convenient for my partner and I. If I thought they gave a damn I would clue the managment in... and I couldn't give a toss if she gets the feedback or not. Just bitchin' on a climbing forum for my own enjoyment (and occassionally that of others).

OzA
29/07/2008
8:33:48 AM
On 25/07/2008 cruze wrote:
>Yeah but how's anyone going to see how cool and extreme you are leading
>if you are stuck around the backside of Mitre rock?

Been there done that! not cool especially when you run out of rope.
rolsen1
29/07/2008
9:05:08 PM
On 28/07/2008 red wrote:
>The gym accidents I've seen have predominately been experienced climbers
>who have just got complacent and slack.. Beginners tend to be a minority
>because they don't know any different.. it's once you start cutting corners
>cause " I can lead 20" things get scary

The closest I've come to an accident is when someone almost took me out on their victory whip - so cool!

phil_nev
Online Now
30/07/2008
8:40:47 AM
I hear on the grapevine the fall was 5-6 meters directly onto their ass. Not sure of any injuries.

ajfclark
30/07/2008
9:29:40 AM
On 30/07/2008 phil_nev wrote:
>I hear on the grapevine the fall was 5-6 meters directly onto their ass.
>Not sure of any injuries.

They landed on their donkey?

The second accident came up in conversation last night while I was at city gym. The only injury mentioned to me was that the belayer has quite bad rope burn on their left hand. How this happened is not clear at the moment. It was mentioned that they may have been holding both sides of the rope in their hand over the belay device.

My initial thought was that they might have got the rope burn because their brake hand slipped on the brake side of belay device (or wasn't on the rope at all or whatever) and they tried to arrest the fall with the other, above the belay device and with no friction assistance from the belay device.

mousey
30/07/2008
3:33:07 PM
gyms more dangerous?
the f--- kind of gym are YOU climbing in???

in 1998 in the UK, 1 543 people were involved in tissue-related injuries in their own home. a significantly lesser number of injuries were reported from being shot into space from a cannon without proper PPE, thus we can reasonably deduce that it is a safer activity.

ps. i once saw a guy fall about 15m onto his back in a gym. i looked around and saw him sit on the rope & weeeee! turns out he clipped into his gear loops. landed on a 2m wide crash mat and got away with pelvis factures or something... anyway theres a fun little slightly related story for you
rolsen1
1/08/2008
9:07:38 AM
Another lead fall last night - ambulance called. I think she fell from about the 4th bolt. So that's 3 weeks in a row!

Sabu
1/08/2008
10:08:10 AM
4th bolt is a bit high to be at risk of decking.... what the spacing like?
citationx
1/08/2008
11:10:35 AM
On 1/08/2008 Sabu wrote:
>4th bolt is a bit high to be at risk of decking.... what the spacing like?

what's the belayer's attention span? ("ooh look, a butterfly!")

Sabu
1/08/2008
11:15:13 AM
Another highly relevent question!

IdratherbeclimbingM9
1/08/2008
11:16:01 AM
or maybe
"ooh look, another flutterby!"
?

wallwombat
1/08/2008
12:39:13 PM
The more I read this thread and the other thread on someone decking at a gym, the more I think I was a lot safer multipitching in the Warrumbungles recently, than I would have been pulling plastic indoors.

Yikes!

phil_nev
Online Now
1/08/2008
1:27:45 PM
This is getting beyond a joke! Its scary and i feel only a matter of time at this rate before someone does some serious damage to themselves or others.
gfdonc
1/08/2008
2:06:00 PM
On 1/08/2008 wallwombat wrote:
>The more I read this thread and the other thread on someone decking at
>a gym, the more I think I was a lot safer multipitching in the Warrumbungles
>recently, than I would have been pulling plastic indoors.

Of course! Especially when you're just sitting around in the hut drinking beer ..
Paul
1/08/2008
4:09:33 PM
On 1/08/2008 rolsen1 wrote:
>Another lead fall last night - ambulance called. I think she fell from
>about the 4th bolt. So that's 3 weeks in a row!

Maybe if they let people belay with cam activated devices which are semi autlocking like gri gri's it may reduce the number of people dropped from bad belaying, although they still aren't fool proof.

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