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Off topic: Rally for Tibet
widewetandslippery
21/04/2008
1:15:36 PM
I hope the chinese guards and pro tibetan (generally religously or nationalistically linked)protesters wipe each other out.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
21/04/2008
2:08:55 PM
On 21/04/2008 widewetandslippery wrote:
>I hope the chinese guards and pro tibetan (generally religously or nationalistically
>linked)protesters wipe each other out.

Why?
widewetandslippery
21/04/2008
2:27:50 PM
Those that portray and promote there "isms" and think that there is "truth" as in truisms that are definate and are limited and therefore limiting and can cease.

Its liquid, I'll probally drown, I'm just an anti religious bigot who looks at all belief the same way, personal bullshit.
b1rchy999
21/04/2008
2:32:45 PM
I think it would be interesting if Chomolungma decides to totally stuff up their plans with a month of shit weather, 200+kms winds?
I wonder if the pressure would be on them to try and summit anyhow? How many lives will be lost if this is the case? I defiantely would not want to be the guide/climbers or sherpas. No way.
I think the assault on the mountain would be huge and that is why they closed down the whole North Side??




IdratherbeclimbingM9
21/04/2008
2:34:11 PM
On 21/04/2008 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Those that portray and promote there "isms" and think that there is "truth"
>as in truisms that are definate and are limited and therefore limiting
>and can cease.
>
>Its liquid, I'll probally drown, I'm just an anti religious bigot who
>looks at all belief the same way, personal bullshit.

Yep. This topic has definitely now achieved 'off-topic' status and it's not even beer-o'clock!
widewetandslippery
21/04/2008
2:34:50 PM
Inanimate objects speaking to you? Good LSD going round? pm me
widewetandslippery
21/04/2008
2:36:39 PM
M9, its getting bloody close!

Sabu
21/04/2008
5:31:02 PM
On 21/04/2008 b1rchy999 wrote:
>I think it would be interesting if Chomolungma decides to totally stuff
>up their plans with a month of shit weather, 200+kms winds?
>I wonder if the pressure would be on them to try and summit anyhow? How
>many lives will be lost if this is the case? I defiantely would not want
>to be the guide/climbers or sherpas. No way.
>I think the assault on the mountain would be huge and that is why they
>closed down the whole North Side??

Totally agree, they'll have a schedule to try summit and i reckon they'll push for it reguardless of normal safety procedure.
Also read today that the chinese ALREADY have 25+ people at Everest situated in camp 2.
i hope they film this, i want to see the jetstream winds take the torch all the way back to greece!

IdratherbeclimbingM9
21/04/2008
5:42:48 PM
Sabu wrote;
>i hope they film this, i want to see the jetstream winds take the torch all the way back to greece!

You won't see much in whiteout conditions ...

Sabu
21/04/2008
11:02:37 PM
On 21/04/2008 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>You won't see much in whiteout conditions ...
touche.

billk
23/04/2008
4:18:15 PM
Take a hike, Tibet banner climber told

Nepalese authorities have barred an American mountaineer from climbing Mount Everest after discovering he was carrying a Free Tibet banner.

The mountaineer, who was not identified, was asked to return to Kathmandu after Nepalese security personnel discovered the banner at the Mount Everest base camp, the Nepali-language Kantipur newspaper reported.

"We asked the climber to be sent back to Kathmandu immediately," the newspaper quoted an unnamed official at the Home Ministry as saying.

The climber belonged to the Eco-Everest Expedition 2008, which aims to highlight the effects of global warning on glaciers as well as the garbage left behind by climbers in the Everest region.

"We are trying to get more details surrounding the incident to determine the nature of the violation and extent of the action," the newspaper quoted the official as saying.

The action is the first by the Nepalese government since it announced stringent security measures on the world's highest mountain in the run-up to the planned leg of the Chinese Olympic torch relay that is to scale the world's highest mountain.

Last week, the government said it was deploying nearly two dozen soldiers and police at Camp 2 on Mount Everest, located at more than 6,500 metres above sea level.

Nepal has also barred expeditions from climbing to the summit of the 8,848-metre peak until May 10 to foil any attempts by pro-Tibetan groups from disrupting the torch run.

Separately, the Home Ministry said stringent security was in place to facilitate China's plans to take the Olympic touch to the summit.

"All security wings have been mobilised to deal with the situation and will not allow any anti-China activities on Nepalese soil," a Home Ministry statement said.

Nepal has seen growing anti-China protests by Tibetan exiles since early March and used police force to disperse the demonstrators.


wallwombat
24/04/2008
2:56:04 PM
Maybe we should have a real 'Rally for Tibet'. Winner gets the country.

The Chinese president could drive this,



And the Dalai Llama could drive this,



Just an idea!

shamus
24/04/2008
3:37:39 PM
Well to keep it fair, El presidente would have to drive one of his country's pirate / cheapo knockoff cars.

billk
28/04/2008
12:04:03 PM
From LA Times:

A Mountain of Ill-will

China's push to carry the Olympic torch up Everest elbows other climbers aside.
By Bill Stall
April 26, 2008

The tarnished symbolism of the Olympic torch relays in London, Paris and San Francisco may seem tame beside the potential fallout of the Chinese plan to carry the torch to the world's highest peak, 29,035-foot Mt. Everest, on the border of Tibet and Nepal.

A century ago, John Muir, the prophet of the Sierra Nevada, wrote, "Walk away quietly in any direction and taste the freedom of the mountaineer." But there is no freedom on Mt. Everest right now, as the Chinese, with the complicity of a newly elected Maoist government in Nepal, have clamped severe restrictions and censorship on the usual spring rush to climb Everest and claim the ultimate prize of mountaineering.

The Chinese are promoting the torch climb as a symbol of sportsmanship and international goodwill, not to mention China's own vaulting ambitions. They devised a special torch to keep the flame burning at low oxygen levels, built a blacktop road through a wilderness to get it -- and the media -- to the base camp in Tibet, at 16,800 feet, and banned all other Everest attempts from the Tibet side of the mountain until the torch gets its chance between May 1 and 10, usually a window of calm offering the best climbing weather. Once anti-Beijing protests broke out in Tibet in March, they requested that Nepal shut down the south side of the mountain as well.

Sketchy website postings and occasional news reports indicate that as many as 500 climbers, Sherpas and others are on hold in the Nepal Everest base camp, at the foot of the Khumbu icefall at 17,500 feet. The camp is being overseen by a Nepalese army major under orders to confiscate all satellite telephones, computers and still and video cameras at least until May 10. Nepal has allowed climbing teams to carry food and supplies as high as Camp 2, at 21,000 feet, but until the torch climb is completed, they are prohibited from staying overnight there or climbing any farther. (There are four camps altogether on the South Col route, the route to the summit pioneered by Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay in the first ascent, in 1953; teams acclimate at each one before attempting the next leg of the climb.)

The Associated Press reported late last week that as many as 25 Nepalese soldiers might be patrolling the bleak rock and ice of the South Col route. The report said the soldiers were given authority to squelch any protests of the torch relay or the Chinese oppression of the Tibetan culture. A Nepalese Home Ministry spokesman was quoted as saying the use of deadly force was authorized, but only as a last resort.
....

IdratherbeclimbingM9
28/04/2008
12:11:28 PM
Interesting extract from a relevant website.

Creating a striking image against the iconic backdrop of the Harbour Bridge and Opera House, the words DONíT TORCH TIBET projected onto the NW bridge pylon signalled a clear call from Australiaís Tibetan communities and Tibet support groups for China to remove Tibet from the Olympic Torch Relay route and begin a process of constructive dialogue with the Dalai Lama.

Carrying the Olympic Torch up Mount Everest and through Lhasa and other Tibetan areas is a political manoeuvre by the Chinese leadership to symbolically demonstrate their control over the region. Australia Tibet Community is deeply concerned that this move will deepen the current crisis, incite further unrest inside Tibet and lead to more arrests and suffering among the Tibetan people.
ATC believes that carrying the Olympic Torch up Mount Everest and through Lhasa and other Tibetan areas has nothing to do with sport. It is a blatant political manoeuvre by the Chinese leadership. Instead China must meet with the Dalai Lama and begin working through dialogue towards a peaceful resolution of Tibet issue.




anthonyk
30/04/2008
12:27:08 PM
On 21/04/2008 b1rchy999 wrote:
>I think it would be interesting if Chomolungma decides to totally stuff
>up their plans with a month of shit weather, 200+kms winds?
>I wonder if the pressure would be on them to try and summit anyhow? How
>many lives will be lost if this is the case? I defiantely would not want
>to be the guide/climbers or sherpas. No way.
>I think the assault on the mountain would be huge and that is why they
>closed down the whole North Side??

its ok i hear they've got a back up team carrying containers of nitro-glycerin in case the first team gets stuffed up trying to meet the deadline. i just hope they're filming as well, it'd add another valuable contribution to the vast array of credible climbing movies out there that show what its really all about.

Sabu
5/05/2008
6:32:32 PM
Well aparently they're working their way up the mountain now, the ban on other expeditions lasts until may 10 so they have quite a small window (not that the weather window is very big anyway..) and typically the whole event is under a complete media blackout, suppose its just incase they they mess everything up.

Also the Chinese climbers have a total of 16 torches with them (does that count?).

http://www.everestnews.com/everest2008/chineseeverest200805032008.htm

GravityHound
6/05/2008
8:29:33 AM
On 5/05/2008 Sabu wrote:
>Well aparently they're working their way up the mountain now, the ban on
>other expeditions lasts until may 10 so they have quite a small window
>(not that the weather window is very big anyway..) and typically the whole
>event is under a complete media blackout, suppose its just incase they
>they mess everything up.
>
>Also the Chinese climbers have a total of 16 torches with them (does that
>count?).
>

they are obviously trying not leaving anything to chance with 16 torches. man, talk about contingency plans "we just lost another climber, send up someone else that loves the mother country and make sure they are carrying torch number 13".

i dont think it matters what the weather does actually i dont think anything matters. With the media blackout they can claim they made it even when they didnt. we will probably never know what really happened....

billk
8/05/2008
12:08:11 PM
Olympic flame reaches top of Mount Everest: state television
May 8, 2008 - 11:26AM

Chinese climbers carrying the Olympic flame reached the summit of Mount Everest on Thursday, state television showed, in an historic moment for China exactly three months ahead of the Beijing Games.

Then in June, they will be running the main torch relay through Tibet. If the earlier post suggesting that only exiled Tibetans oppose the Chinese occupation is correct, it should be a sea of smiling happy faces : ) : ) : ) (except for the torch bearers, who haven't cracked a smile so far).


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