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Help find Prabh Srawn $50,000 reward
FindPrabhSrawn
5/06/2013
2:02:14 PM
There is a missing Canadian man lost in Mt. Kosciuszko Australia. His family has offered a $50,000 reward for anyone that finds him alive. Please help find Prabh Srawn. Check out the link below for some information regarding the reward. For further information about the reward and Prabh Srawn's case please contact Tej Sahota at dr.tej.sahota@gmail.com RE: Help with search.

Link to reward information:

http://twitpic.com/cvb1m1
GWil
5/06/2013
2:51:57 PM
Don't take the bait on this, folks. Police, SES, and other emergency services have already warned people off this. Leave the Search and Rescue groups to their areas of expertise. This Canadian family is absolutely disgusting in their bounty hunter-esque behaviour and are happily asking people to recklessly endanger their lives.

Notwithstanding the fact that the payment is only for finding him alive, and the fact that the services have already been out there, this kind of behaviour should never be rewarded.

GW

IdratherbeclimbingM9
5/06/2013
3:28:59 PM
On 5/06/2013 GWil wrote:
>Don't take the bait on this, folks. Police, SES, and other emergency services
>have already warned people off this. Leave the Search and Rescue groups
>to their areas of expertise. This Canadian family is absolutely disgusting
>in their bounty hunter-esque behaviour and are happily asking people to
>recklessly endanger their lives.

>
>Notwithstanding the fact that the payment is only for finding him alive,
>and the fact that the services have already been out there, this kind of
>behaviour should never be rewarded.
>
>GW

?

From what I read on the link provided it seems like a reasonable request by a desperate family.

I say reasonable, because the add states the following, which indicates to me at least, that they are mindful of the risks involved and are not trying to get anyone else into trouble...

*Looking for well-experienced hikers or search teams
(& must meet the following criteria)
*groups of 2 or more
*must carry a beacon/GPS
*have their own equipment
*must register with Mt Kosciuszko park authorities


By their advertisement, it is also evident to me that the family is unaware of just how capable our official /and volunteer, rescue services are ...

Though I would like to think my faith in the Aussie character of humanity would confirm that a reward for such action is not required.

GWil
5/06/2013
3:54:38 PM
Yeah, I can empathise with the panic they must be going through, but the bounty is flat out dangerous. I've got friends who are up there and more closely associated with the services doing the searching, and the police have been asking for private individuals to not go doing this/risk lives. Coppers, etc have deployed multiple choppers with heat sensors and have been amazing in how they've tried to find the guy.

Better news story here: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/lost-hikers-family-searches-for-answers-20130531-2nhmx.html

From the article:

- Search area stretched over 11,000 hectares of rough, mountainous terrain.
- Local police and park rangers were joined by Victorian and Australia Federal Police officers and alpine specialists, State Emergency Service volunteers, firefighters, and ambulance crews on the ground, and Polair, and two rescue helicopters in the air.
- Briefings at 7am, and then teams make their way to allocated search areas by air, road, foot, and snowmobile.
- [Where terrain prevented snowmobile deployment, searchers] had to walk for an hour or two to get into where they are.
- As many as 30 people were in the field at any given time, divided into teams, and sent into terrain where visibility through snow and thick undergrowth could be as low as five metres, and temperatures as low as minus 13 degrees.
- In some areas ropes and harnesses were needed to traverse slopes up to 70 and 80 degrees steep.
- Helicopters would spend hours scanning hills and gullies, sometimes carrying thermal imaging technology.
- Tens of thousands of points of GPS data compared, analysing maps of the terrain, individually numbered snow poles, walking tracks, water courses, snow huts, and more.


Guy was in t-shirt and jeans, and underprepared. Sad, but not worth risking others' lives over, especially on incomplete information.


One Day Hero
5/06/2013
4:34:39 PM
Meh, I get the shits with people who're all about "endangering the lives of searchers". Have you idiots seen what the weather has been like in the last couple of days? Probably a higher risk of sunburn than anything else. I often go walking up there just for the hell of it and nobody bleats about "unnecessary risk". With that said, I will be very very surprised if this dude turns up alive.

It kinda struck me that if the family really want to motivate people to get out and search, they should put some cash up for finding a body.............
daave
5/06/2013
5:17:11 PM
On 5/06/2013 One Day Hero wrote:
>
>
>It kinda struck me that if the family really want to motivate people to
>get out and search, they should put some cash up for finding a body.............

Yeah but you wouldn't want to stuff up with a typo in that ad...

$50,000 reward for finding him alive...$70,000 reward for just finding the body
GWil
5/06/2013
7:00:36 PM
On 5/06/2013 One Day Hero wrote:
>Meh, I get the shits with people who're all about "endangering the lives
>of searchers".

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm sure, but I think it's blatantly irresponsible. Having been through the area myself, the snap changes that can occur are insane -- probably what got this guy (assuming he hasn't just skipped on Visa) in the first place. And there's a massive difference between going on a walk you're prepped for, presumably sticking to the trails, and setting off into the bush while looking for areas that were too risky for the PolSAR guys to get into on the off chance you find a cash-bringing corpse.
GWil
5/06/2013
7:06:21 PM
>Did their ad read "We happily ask that others recklessly endanger
>their life to find ...".

Not unless you read a different ad to me. Asking people to ignore police requests and search an area that is treacherous when there's little-to-no chance of a positive outcome is selfish at best and reckless in reality. The cops aren't new to this. The cops have the tech to do the job right. The cops have been over all the likely, less likely, unlikely, and other unlikely-but-not-lethal-to-search areas. If he's there, he's a corpsicle. Wait until Spring, and PolSAR will most likely do another search and get the body out so the family can make their peace.

>I hope he's found alive and the family find ppeace soon.

Likewise. Would never wish otherwise on anyone.
One Day Hero
5/06/2013
9:17:46 PM
On 5/06/2013 GWil wrote:
>Having been through the area myself, the snap changes that
>can occur are insane.

Aren't you ashamed to be posting on a climbing forum and talking about the "mega extreme weather in the Snowys"? You do realise that quite a few people on here climb in real mountains, don't you?

>......going on a walk you're prepped for, presumably sticking to the
>trails,

Sticking to trails doesn't even qualify as a bushwalk! I would suggest that if you've never gone bashing about in the scunge with map and compass and crappy weather, then you're a sport climbing pussy at best!

>looking for areas that were
>too risky for the PolSAR guys to get into on the off chance you find a
>cash-bringing corpse.

Wtf are you on about? What do you imagine is lurking in these spots which are "too risky for the search and rescue crews"..........are they infested with drop bears? A fire swamp, perhaps?
GWil
6/06/2013
9:24:17 AM
On 5/06/2013 Cliff wrote:
>So did you write your original post thinking that it was going to avert
>an army of cash-strapped CFers from attempting a search. I thought your
>posts were insensitive and unnecessary.

The difference a night's sleep makes. I might have let the emotion of the day's work flow into the post a little, and if I've caused offence, I apologise.

I stand by my thoughts that the reward incentivises risky behaviour, and that if someone makes an effort to find this poor lad for the money and gets injured or worse, that the posters of the reward should be held accountable in some fashion -- particularly because the reward directly contravenes advice and requests made by the emergency services.

However, in the fresh light of a new day, I doubt I'd have written my response the same way.

shortman
6/06/2013
9:44:56 AM
On 5/06/2013 Cliff wrote:
>So did you write your original post thinking that it was going to avert
>an army of cash-strapped CFers from attempting a search. I thought your
>posts were insensitive and unnecessary.

Allot like yours Cliff.
Chockstone Moderator
6/06/2013
9:48:32 AM
A duplicate thread has appeared and I have locked it.

Here is the original post from it and a reply it had.

>MISSING hiker *mount kosiuszko area

On 6/06/2013 HUNDUS wrote:
>PLEASE read...
>
>Friends and family are looking for skilled climbers to assist in the search
>for the missing Canadian hiker
>
>http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/29/hamilton-prabh-srawn-search.html







[And on 6/06/2013 technogeekery replied:
>I really feel for this guy's family, and their requests to do anything
>possible. But its been, what, 3 weeks? Is there any realistic chance of
>him being alive? What could we "skilled climbers" do that the S&R teams
>(apparently 15 searchers coordinated by helo) haven't?
>
>Not knocking the request - if I was family, I'd be doing everything I
>could to keep the search going (including being here myself, but thats
>another story).]

mallion
6/06/2013
11:22:26 AM
On 5/06/2013 GWil wrote:
> Having been through the area myself, the snap changes that
>can occur are insane.

Only if your oblivious, if your up the top of the ranges you can see the weather rolling in from bloody miles away.
GWil
6/06/2013
12:16:24 PM
On 6/06/2013 mallion wrote:
>Only if your oblivious, if your up the top of the ranges you can see the
>weather rolling in from bloody miles away.

To a degree. If you're in a gully, or exploring a formation that's not in full view of the weather front, the first you know of a change can be a darkening of skies and cold blast. I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes the weather doesn't happen the way the weatherman reckons.

The swings that occur in May/June up Kozzie/Townsend can easily bring a temperature shift of 20 degrees and 40Km/h of wind. If you're in a good position, sure, you can see things roll in (and it's magnificent to watch, no question), but that's not always the case.


One Day Hero
6/06/2013
12:27:58 PM
>[And on 6/06/2013 technogeekery replied:
>Is there any realistic chance
>of
>him being alive?

Not really.

>What could we "skilled climbers" do that the S&R teams
>(apparently 15 searchers coordinated by helo) haven't?

Well, I image that they're looking for people to rap into the horribly steep and vegetated canyon/gully things on the Western Faces........which is probably where the poor bloke ended up.

>If I was family, I'd be doing everything I
>could to keep the search going

Yep, sad truth, but if it were someone I knew then I'd probably be up there looking. You gotta feel for the family, sounds like they're getting somewhat bullshitted by the "private search specialists".
technogeekery
6/06/2013
1:07:39 PM
That article in the Canberra Times is excellent, so much better than most journalism about this sort of thing.

I see from it that the family did immediately come here, and who can blame them for trying whatever they can to find their brother / son.

Pity the sister knocks the local search effort though, it looks like it was a massive and well coordinated effort. Can completely understand her wanting them to continue indefinitely - and also why the search is being wound down.

Superstu
6/06/2013
1:12:20 PM
I think this is a great plot base to an awesome novel or tele movie.
OK, so our three chockstoner amigos, Miguel, ODH and Monty, were sitting in the Thredbo cafe sipping hot chockies after a huge day ice climbing at Blue lake, and they overhear this Prawn guy talking with his mate Bundy about this great new sport crag he's been bolting up near the Opera House valley, and how he's worried that NPWS rangers might be onto him so he's like putting dodgy entries in the log books and parking his car at Charlotte's and walking the long way around as not to give anything away.
So after this guy goes missing and it's all over the press, Monty puts two-and-two together and rings up Damo and Miguel and they agree to team up, hoping to get that bounty by finding Prawn.
Cut to them getting sorted at Charlotte's carpark, Miguel has brought all sorts of cr*p and can't keep up when they hit the trail, Damo wants to boot him off the team, arguing ensues, Monty tells them all to f---in' cut it, keep focused on the bounty guys - all the while Monty is dreaming of how many bolts he can order from climbinganchors.com with that dosh! So they trudge through the deep snow and into the blizzard, endure a complete epic etc etc, until they reach the fabled Shangri La Alpine Sport Crag.
They find Prawn holed up in the bouldering cave beneath the cliff, in a bad state but still alive. Monty starts arranging a stretcher to get him out, but in a plot twist it seems Damo has a hidden agenda, and pulls out a crowbar and saw from his backpack and starts hacking away at the crag's bolts to Monty's horror. Miguel, laden with all his gear, fell behind on the way in and is nowhere to be seen.
Damo and Monty start punching each other and as the fight progresses they stumble onto a cornice, and both tumble down the slope. All the while they were hiking in they were secretly followed by a mysterious character with a scruffy beard and ancient old-school gear.
So who is this mysterious character, what happened to Miguel, did Damo and Monty survive the plunge....... stay tuned to episode 2.




IdratherbeclimbingM9
6/06/2013
1:28:00 PM
On 6/06/2013 Superstu wrote:
>All the while they were hiking in they were secretly followed by a mysterious character with a scruffy beard and ancient old-school gear.
>So who is this mysterious character, what happened to Miguel, did Damo and Monty survive the plunge....... stay tuned to episode 2.
>
I reckon it is Kentucky Clyde this bloke; ... or his look-alike cousin if the emphasis is on the old school gear!


One Day Hero
6/06/2013
3:09:32 PM
That's pretty fuching funny stuff, Stu..........I'm now imagining Miguel, collapsed and overcome with exhaustion brought on by dragging all his useless shit up the hill, having a flashback/hallucination to his old sensei, Eddy Maguire.

Eddie: (on death's door in a hospital bed) "Mikey.............don't make the same mistake I did..........if you ever end up embroiled in allegations of casual racism.........just apologise, and.......put....the....shovel......down" "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppp" [camera pans across to Eddie's career monitor, which has flat-lined]
dalai
6/06/2013
4:56:29 PM
Guys, is the current discussion really appropriate in this topic?

Possibly family member in desperation has posted here in a last ditch effort to find a missing relative; in reality probably already deceased?

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