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Hillwood Possible Closure
Tastrad
19-Oct-2017
4:22:03 PM
The climbing community is facing possible closure of Hillwood, unless the landowner can be appeased regarding his fears of litigation. `It's getting out of hand', was his words when I visited him last week. Twelve carloads a weekend, busloads of schoolkids on excursions during the week and commercial groups, plus blocking his gate, and fukwits bringing dogs in there....has him very worried about litigation and generally pissing him off. He suggested the easiest way would be to shut it down and rip the anchors out. Pretty popular for a place that Damo reckons half the routes suck donkey dicks.

I have built a good relationship of trust with the landowners over the past 20 years, and I am doing all I can to ensure access to the cliff. Because of this, please do not try to contact him and complicate matters. I think we'll get there but he needs to consult his solicitor first.

I have sent him a copy of the civil liability act of 2002, which makes it virtually impossible for anyone doing dangerous `at own risk' activities on private property, to sue a landowner. In addition, I have suggested his solicitor draw up a legal waiver, which every single climber would have to sign to gain access to Hillwood. Hopefully a one-off signing would be sufficient, and could be downloadable from my website and I could collect them for him. I have suggested that without the waiver there would be no admittance and they would officially be trespassers..a sign would be posted on the gate to that effect. It might not come to that, but be prepared for the possibiity of signing a waiver, and donating some cash to pay the farmer's legal fees.

In the mean-time, don't block the gate, don't bring dogs, don't fall off and axe yourself, be on your best behaviour, don't fuk it up for everyone, and if your visiting for the first time, it is still a requirement to ring me on 0490 830 922.

Any suggestions on how to deal with this matter?
Thankyou

gnaguts
19-Oct-2017
5:23:53 PM
On 19-Oct-2017 Tastrad wrote:
>The climbing community is facing possible closure of Hillwood, unless the
>landowner can be appeased regarding his fears of litigation. `It's getting
>out of hand', was his words when I visited him last week. Twelve carloads
>a weekend, busloads of schoolkids on excursions during the week and commercial
>groups, plus blocking his gate, and fukwits bringing dogs in there....has
>him very worried about litigation and generally pissing him off. He suggested
>the easiest way would be to shut it down and rip the anchors out. Pretty
>popular for a place that Damo reckons half the routes suck donkey dicks.
>I have built a good relationship of trust with the landowners over the
>past 20 years, and I am doing all I can to ensure access to the cliff.
>Because of this, please do not try to contact him and complicate matters.
>I think we'll get there but he needs to consult his solicitor first.
>I have sent him a copy of the civil liability act of 2002, which makes
>it virtually impossible for anyone doing dangerous `at own risk' activities
>on private property, to sue a landowner. In addition, I have suggested
>his solicitor draw up a legal waiver, which every single climber would
>have to sign to gain access to Hillwood. Hopefully a one-off signing would
>be sufficient, and could be downloadable from my website and I could collect
>them for him. I have suggested that without the waiver there would be no
>admittance and they would officially be trespassers..a sign would be posted
>on the gate to that effect. It might not come to that, but be prepared
>for the possibiity of signing a waiver, and donating some cash to pay the
>farmer's legal fees.
>In the mean-time, don't block the gate, don't bring dogs, don't fall off
>and axe yourself, be on your best behaviour, don't fuk it up for everyone,
>and if your visiting for the first time, it is still a requirement to ring
>me on 0490 830 922. Any suggestions on how to deal with this matter? Thankyou

So as tha prima developa of tha joint U want us 2 helpU control tha slipperier slope U'v creatD?
2 bad itz not a logica fallicy othawize Wens could helpU with it.

Owna has tha right idea of choppin tha boltz 2 get rid of tha liturdgy slope!

Payin his legals?
Do wot tha legals do , an go 4 tha deepest pokets by lettin tha commercL groups handL that az they tha only 1s makin a buck outa it.
Failin that , ima sure that safety1st pro boltz peeps like Tha Rock Robber an ewe lls would likely cough up if ya rattL tha tin in front of em.
Olbert
23-Oct-2017
12:12:56 PM
The climbers who are at the forefront of access issues do a somewhat thankless and endless job. The best outcome would be the solution where the minimum administration is required to climb there - but clearly, you already know that. Unfortunately the problem of climbing's increasing popularity, and therefore impact on land, is only going to get worse.

I totally agree with your last statement, but can sum it up with "Don't be a dick...and ring Gerry before you go".

E. Wells
24-Oct-2017
4:13:40 PM
Are crag dogs ok? Mine is a crag dog and wouldnt harm a sky raisin.

ajfclark
24-Oct-2017
4:56:30 PM
On 24-Oct-2017 E. Wells wrote:
>Are crag dogs ok? Mine is a crag dog and wouldnt harm a sky raisin.

On 19-Oct-2017 Tastrad wrote:
>and fukwits bringing dogs in there....

I would say no.

E. Wells
24-Oct-2017
5:47:01 PM
That was what confused me as Im not a F#!wit. So if im a totally nice guy (which I am) and my dog is a crag dog (he can even bring me my grigri if I repeat 'grigri grigri' without even a treat!) then maybe its ok?

gnaguts
25-Oct-2017
6:08:33 AM
On 24-Oct-2017 E. Wells wrote:
>That was what confused me as Im not a F#!wit. So if im a totally nice guy
>(which I am) and my dog is a crag dog (he can even bring me my grigri if
>I repeat 'grigri grigri' without even a treat!) then maybe its ok?

Wot a wells trainD dog!
See Ed , it can B done , an theres hope 4 U yet.

Ewe , this iz a diffrent brand of f#!
We R talkin tasweega here not BluCrag so it wont B ok till U get Ur vaccs up 2 date an a vet certifcate 2 show em at tha main gate.
One Day Hero
25-Oct-2017
1:22:11 PM
On 19-Oct-2017 Tastrad wrote:
>Pretty
>popular for a place that Damo reckons half the routes suck donkey dicks.

Popularity is no measure of quality, and is mostly driven by easy access, easy grades, and easy clips. Surely you realised that in Europe.

I might have exaggerated a bit, but next time I'm down lets go for a day of climbing there. We could make film with you defending the merits of some of the "least classic" Hillwood climbs. It'll be fun.
ben wiessner
1-Nov-2017
3:15:04 PM
On 19-Oct-2017 Tastrad wrote:

>and if your visiting for the first time, it is still a requirement to ring
>me on 0490 830 922.

No it isn't.
johny
1-Nov-2017
7:18:34 PM
On 1-Nov-2017 ben wiessner wrote:
>On 19-Oct-2017 Tastrad wrote:
>
>>and if your visiting for the first time, it is still a requirement to
>ring
>>me on 0490 830 922.
>
>No it isn't.

Why do you say that? Just saying "no it isn't" without any explanation seems childish.

rodw
2-Nov-2017
6:21:27 AM
On 25-Oct-2017 One Day Hero wrote:
>. We could make film with you defending the merits of
>some of the "least classic" Hillwood climbs. It'll be fun.

A Tasmanian version of that video you did about red rocks, a sequel no less...cant wait.

gnaguts
2-Nov-2017
9:16:28 AM
On 2-Nov-2017 rodw wrote:
>On 25-Oct-2017 One Day Hero wrote:
>>. We could make film with you defending the merits of
>>some of the "least classic" Hillwood climbs. It'll be fun.
>
>A Tasmanian version of that video you did about red rocks, a sequel no less...cant wait.

If my fiend simey iz gunnaB in it agen , then id pay 2 C it , az alwayz up 4 a laff.
There ya go tasgeez , turn it in2 a fund raisa 4 c0ckies legal costz!
simey
2-Nov-2017
1:00:48 PM
On 2-Nov-2017 gnaguts wrote:
>On 2-Nov-2017 rodw wrote:
>>On 25-Oct-2017 One Day Hero wrote:
>>>. We could make film with you defending the merits of
>>>some of the "least classic" Hillwood climbs. It'll be fun.
>>
>>A Tasmanian version of that video you did about red rocks, a sequel no
>less...cant wait.
>
>If my fiend simey iz gunnaB in it agen , then id pay 2 C it , az alwayz
>up 4 a laff.
>There ya go tasgeez , turn it in2 a fund raisa 4 c0ckies legal costz!

If my trip to Tassy coincides with Damo being down there, I will be happy to make a short film about Gerry and Damo climbing at Hillwood.

We'll call it Gerry and Damo do Donkey Dicks. That's sure to get a few hits.


Tastrad
2-Nov-2017
4:54:13 PM
it is a requirement you nunty,,,this is the express wish of the landowner, and attitudes like that are what could eventually shut the crag down

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