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State forests NSW, climbing ban

Vwills
9-Jun-2015
10:32:00 PM
You may not realise it , but recreational climbing is banned in NSW In all state forests without a permit, and has been since 2004.
Some of you cross the border into NSW: the no fun state
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3133754/melanie-wilde-take-some-air-while-it-is-still-legal/

Mel Wilde has written this article in the NewcastleHerald. We are currently seeking to have rock climbing removed as a "dangerous activity" from the regulations of the Forestry Corporation and are arranging a meeting with Niall Blair, the minister for Primary Industries.

Please take the time to email Niall Blair, (national Party) making some of the following points, and send a copy to your local member as well. If the closure of the Forestry area of Bulahdelah to climbing has affected you, bring that up. The situation there is more complex but the rapidity of the ban and lack of consultation has been easy because of these existing regulations.

*Recreation and Tourism management are integral to the business of the FCNSW.
• Climbing is a low-impact, human-powered, legitimate recreation with more than 60 000 participants in NSW and is increasing in popularity
• Climbers are prepared to give back by volunteering on public land, protecting the environment, and preserving open space.
• The majority of climbers are responsible, considerate, and safety-conscious.
• Rock climbing has a significantly better safety profile than many sports, including horse riding, dirt bike riding and mountain bike riding, all of which are permitted in state forests.
• Climbing tourism contributes to the economic vitality of many regional areas in NSW
• The inclusion of rock climbing in the list of banned activities is discriminatory and fails on equity and probity

niall.blair@parliament.nsw.gov.au

shortman
10-Jun-2015
7:36:57 AM
60,000 participants??

WTF?
Pommy
10-Jun-2015
8:44:33 AM
There was at least that at Thompsons Point on the long weekend
OodlesDownHere
10-Jun-2015
8:49:58 AM
On 10/06/2015 shortman wrote:
>60,000 participants??
>
>WTF?

Don't confuse politics and reality. Add all those mums, pops and ankle biters who have ever been to a gym and it should be much higher.

Vwills
10-Jun-2015
8:52:11 AM
Climbing has similar participation rates to field hockey and water polo- Australian Bureau of statistics. Yes, there are statistics and lies....... But for instance, there have been 40 000 individuals through the climbing gym in Newcastle since it opened a few years ago. This doesn't make people " climbers " but there is clear published evidence the sport is growing and CSIRO have it identified in their sport mega trend report " from extreme to mainstream".

rodw
10-Jun-2015
9:07:44 AM
Email sent to Mr Blair, I even refrained from using swear words.

rodw
10-Jun-2015
9:14:04 AM
Also CSIRO report found here...

http://www.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/523450/The_Future_of_Australian_Sport_-_Full_Report.pdf

Since the state forest regulation seems to be all about safety I found this line very interesting in the report considering motorbike riding and 4wd driving is okay in State forest...actual risk and perceived risk are two very different things.

Off-road motorsports had the highest rate of major trauma and death at 118.9 per 100,000 participants per year, and also showed a significant increase in major trauma rates over the study period (Andrew et al., 2011)

Capt_mulch
10-Jun-2015
9:32:48 AM
So, climbing is more dangerous than chopping down trees???
maxdacat
10-Jun-2015
12:52:19 PM
umm so what areas are we talking about?
Justcameron
10-Jun-2015
4:17:21 PM
I'm interested in this appeal, since climbing and abseiling are also banned in all SA National Parks, Conservation Parks etc., except in designated areas.

I'd love it if climbing was permitted in all areas, except those banned for a specific reason (public safety, indigenous heritage, etc.)
prb
10-Jun-2015
5:25:45 PM
There are laws covering climbing in South Australian National Parks, etc. but I haven't seen any edicts from ForestrySA. This is probably because there are few crags suitable for roped climbing in our state forests. ForestrySA land does have some of the best bouldering near Adelaide though. The developers keep in touch with the loggers and stay out of the forests when necessary. Friendly and respectful communication is the key.

Vwills
10-Jun-2015
8:51:08 PM
On 10/06/2015 maxdacat wrote:
>umm so what areas are we talking about?

Well Bulahdelah to start with, and then many state forests with crags around Coffs Harbor, port Macquarie, the Qld/NSW border, Newnes plateau, much of New Nowra. Off the top of my head.
OodlesDownHere
11-Jun-2015
9:55:51 AM
How about building and working in NPWS visitors centres? 11.1 in 1000 employees has a serious accident every year. I doubt that 1 in 100 climbers would have a serious accident each year?

http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/about/Publications/Documents/897/australian-workers-compensation-statistics-2012-13.pdf

Vwills
1-Dec-2015
1:04:31 PM
Political engagement has been successful. It is no longer illegal to climb, as an individual, in NSW state forests,although some forests can have restrictions placed on activities allowed within them for other reasons. Basically a finely crafted argument saw the minister agree that climbing should not be on the list of banned activities, as it has been since 2004.

we engaged in this negotiation due to the ban placed on climbing at Bulahdelah. There are other issues at play here that are culturally and environmentally sensitive, and this state forest is still currently closed to climbers.

ajfclark
1-Dec-2015
1:31:56 PM
^5!

That's good news. Great work to all involved in the negotiations.
Jayford4321
1-Dec-2015
3:02:00 PM
Yeh, well done Vwills an co.

rocksinmyhead
1-Dec-2015
4:22:13 PM
On 1/12/2015 Vwills wrote:

Basically a finely crafted argument saw the minister agree that climbing should not be on the list of banned activities

Thats' awesome !!! (sorry, no special font....)

You convinced the minister to ease a restriction? Wow. Great work, and thanks for getting it done.
access t cliffcare
1-Dec-2015
4:29:20 PM
Awesome work Vanessa and crew!
climberman
1-Dec-2015
11:19:30 PM
On 1/12/2015 Vwills wrote:
>Political engagement has been successful. It is no longer illegal to climb,
>as an individual, in NSW state forests,although some forests can have restrictions
>placed on activities allowed within them for other reasons. Basically a
>finely crafted argument saw the minister agree that climbing should not
>be on the list of banned activities, as it has been since 2004.
>
>we engaged in this negotiation due to the ban placed on climbing at Bulahdelah.
>There are other issues at play here that are culturally and environmentally
>sensitive, and this state forest is still currently closed to climbers.

Truly excellent work. Thank you.

sliamese
2-Dec-2015
8:26:55 AM
Easing a ban on a legitimate activity? How un-Australian...

Great work guys, finally a step in the right direction!

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