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Crag & Route Beta

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Yes 37
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No 6
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Nowra Guide Book

BundyBear
1/02/2011
10:15:49 AM
Should the forthcoming updated Nowra guide book include the newly developed areas including crags such as Tianjara Falls.
DanMac
1/02/2011
10:20:05 AM
Everyone should go to the TJF rainshadow, because it never rains. Ever.
hipdos
1/02/2011
10:45:24 AM
Is the new guidebook going to be 'choice quality' Mentz/Tempest/Carter style or totally crap Rod Young style (sorry Rod)??!!

nmonteith
1/02/2011
11:00:48 AM
On 1/02/2011 hipdos wrote:
>Is the new guidebook going to be 'choice quality' Mentz/Tempest/Carter
>style or totally crap Rod Young style (sorry Rod)??!!

What didn't you like about it?

I thought it was quite well done. Good route descriptions, history, cool hand-drawn topos. It's worked for me for the last 10 years. Mine did fall apart after 5 years but any book that gets transported amongst a pile of metal and thrown into the dirt will eventually fall apart. Action photos weren't the greatest but if you've ever tried to photograph at Nowra you would understand. I'd like to see the New Nowra areas added but I can understand it's a lot of extra work, and it will be out of date almost immediately.
hipdos
1/02/2011
11:15:52 AM
On 1/02/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>What didn't you like about it?
>

Nothing really, just being a pest. It certainly is clear for finding routes, although it's not that hard to find your way around Nowra. The history section is good as you say.

The topos and photos are the big difference to the more 'polished' guidebooks. I guess it depends if you want something nice to look at or something purely functional. Lots of trees in the way of taking good topo photos is probably an issue. Simon Carter has taken good shots at Nowra, but they are about the only decent ones in existence!
widewetandslippery
1/02/2011
11:23:53 AM
I'd like to at least see a selection of the crags covered. The mad bolters society will make everything out of date but so be it. You can get more info off the retard net if required. If a couple of choice areas are included at least that would be great. There is a wealth of good climbing developed at these areas in the grades that most people climb.

There is still a lot more in the shoalhaven/nowra original areas to still be climbed and so much more to do up in the hills. A hybrid book is still warranted. Give it a few more years and a book for each will be needed.

As for Rods guide being crap, well its not. I think it functioned well. And as for it being pretty, a town that has a fishing spot called eel city, rampant car breakins, Rod made it pretty.

nmonteith
1/02/2011
11:27:26 AM
On 1/02/2011 hipdos wrote:
>The topos and photos are the big difference to the more 'polished' guidebooks.
>I guess it depends if you want something nice to look at or something purely
>functional.

You also have to think about the end cost of the guide. Make it glossy with full colour topos and you'll be paying $50+ for a guide. Keep it simpler and shave off $20. Nowra is all about the moves and the grades - prettiness doesn't come into the fore for most people!

>Lots of trees in the way of taking good topo photos is probably
>an issue.

I'll be interested to see if they stick with diagrams or try and do photo topos. I don't think photo topos will add anything since most of the crags are obscured by trees, or are short caves where perspective would be all messed up. The Bluies & Araps is sooo much easier to make topo photos for.

>Simon Carter has taken good shots at Nowra, but they are about
>the only decent ones in existence!

And I don't think Simon has taken any photos there since the 1990s - even though he lives 3 hours away!

Hawkman
1/02/2011
11:34:01 AM
my understanding is the new one has photo topos in it.

rodw
1/02/2011
11:34:37 AM
Id say leave it out and give it its own guide book down the track....the info is on the Net for people who want to go and a guidebook would be outdated pretty quick as the place is still under development.

Is Point perp in the new nowra guide?...I reckon that is more important at this time than TJF crags....as its already an established area with little future development.



nmonteith
1/02/2011
11:39:40 AM
On 1/02/2011 rodw wrote:
>Is Point perp in the new nowra guide?...I reckon that is more important
>at this time than TJF crags....as its already an established area with
>little future development.

Famous last words! There has been at least 6 new (awesome) routes established at Windjammer in the last couple of years. Plenty more to come...
hipdos
1/02/2011
11:48:57 AM
There is a comprehensive guide for Point Perp available, no need to put that in there.

Why wouldn't you put all the current info from all the new areas in there? Easy to say if you are not compiling it I guess.

I agree the old guidebook is not crap, that was a bad choice of words. Back in the day it was a quantum leap on the original Rock guides, and involved a huge amount of work for Rod. This may not be unusal for guide book writers, but I remenber seeing him at Thompsons Point trying out routes to confirm the stars and grades, along with putting up lots of routes so that they could be included in the guide.

voodoo
1/02/2011
12:00:54 PM
On 1/02/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>You also have to think about the end cost of the guide. Make it glossy
>with full colour topos and you'll be paying $50+ for a guide. Keep it simpler
>and shave off $20.

Although bizarrely this doesn't hold true for the Buffalo guide. Not a skerrick of colour in it and not a whole lot of phototopos (well, compared to say the Araps guide), yet it's one of the most overpriced guides in the country. Go figure.

nmonteith
1/02/2011
12:02:53 PM
On 1/02/2011 hipdos wrote:
>Why wouldn't you put all the current info from all the new areas in there?
>Easy to say if you are not compiling it I guess.

It would double the work load. The weird thing is I saw him out researching for the guide at New Nowra last winter.

BundyBear
1/02/2011
12:02:54 PM
On 1/02/2011 rodw wrote:
>Id say leave it out and give it its own guide book down the track....the
>info is on the Net for people who want to go and a guidebook would be outdated
>pretty quick as the place is still under development.

The crag locations and topo's would never go out of date. Atleast people would be aware of the new crags and have the directions in the guide on how to get there. Sure, there will be new routes, but these can be added in future updates similar to the Blueys guide ...

rodw
1/02/2011
12:04:09 PM
On 1/02/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>Famous last words! There has been at least 6 new (awesome) routes established
>at Windjammer in the last couple of years. Plenty more to come...

6 is a bit more different to the 450+ put up at TJF, and i imagine there are alot more to come than that there.

Agree though if current guide to Pt perp okay no need for it.

Question though for the developers of TJF crags...why the desire for it to be in the guide anyway? One of the main reasons I find new crag development fun is you have the place to yourself...If I want crowds Ill just head to established crags....maybe thats just me?

nmonteith
1/02/2011
12:09:00 PM
On 1/02/2011 BundyBear wrote:
>The crag locations and topo's would never go out of date. Atleast people
>would be aware of the new crags and have the directions in the guide on
>how to get there. Sure, there will be new routes, but these can be added
>in future updates similar to the Blueys guide ...

I tend to agree. Many of the major crags are already pretty much saturated and could be included with little chance of many new routes being added in the future. Crags that are almost finished include TJF, Hylands, Darkside, Panther, Moonshine, The Lair, Afterburner Wall. These areas combined would add an extra 300+ routes to the guide.

BundyBear
1/02/2011
12:14:02 PM
On 1/02/2011 rodw wrote:

>Question though for the developers of TJF crags...why the desire for it
>to be in the guide anyway? One of the main reasons I find new crag development
>fun is you have the place to yourself...If I want crowds Ill just head
>to established crags....maybe thats just me?

Why should there be any guide books then.

I only want my new routes in the guide so I can get paid for the RBs like the guys from Boganville ?? :-)

cruze
1/02/2011
12:22:00 PM
On 1/02/2011 rodw wrote:
>Id say leave it out and give it its own guide book down the track....the
>info is on the Net for people who want to go and a guidebook would be outdated
>pretty quick as the place is still under development.
>
>Is Point perp in the new nowra guide?...I reckon that is more important
>at this time than TJF crags....as its already an established area with
>little future development.
>
Wash your mouth out Rod!! The Point in the same book as Nowra? If so, then maybe the Nowra section could be left on pages that could be torn out in case peering over the edge at the point leads to spontaneous bowel movement.

As stupid as surf'n'turf, or oysters kilpatrick.
onsight
1/02/2011
12:49:06 PM
On 1/02/2011 BundyBear wrote:
>I only want my new routes in the guide so I can get paid for the RBs like
>the guys from Boganville ?? :-)

LOL!
onsight
1/02/2011
1:00:29 PM
I think the design of the last Nowra guide book wasn't particularly slick, but you've gotta remember Rod produced it about 30 years ago and he might have designed it in Word or something and desktop publishing has come a hell of a long way since then. I heard Rod had got himself Indesign for producing this new book, so if he's managed to master that then this new book will look far far better I'm sure.

Sounds like inclusion of some of these new areas would be nice. I bet Rod's got a lot of work just redoing all the older areas though. I wonder if it comes down to a choice of getting the book out before winter or including the new areas and getting it out next spring? Just speculating here.

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