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31-Jan-2011 9:53:10 AM
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On 20/01/2011 tmc wrote:
>Just wondering how many of the people here visit the high country be it
>hiking, hunting, fishing, camping, 4x4ing, riding etc.
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>Cattle or no cattle, the place is GOING TO SH!T.
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>Travis.
I was at the howqua bindaree hut area saturday and there where 8 cars parked at the camp area where the bridge is washed out (looks like for many years) at the foot of Helicopter spur . Presumable they were walking as either start of howitt spur, helicopter spur or road to bluff hut all giving nice weekend walks or long day walks . Bluff hut spur road had its closed sign pushed over and had been driven over there was a more detailed road closed notice on a star picket beside the road . It appeared a large number of vechiles were going to that "iconic old " craigs hut . there were some very large washout areas on the circuit road that had been repaired but it was closed after the Monument turnoff .
If I were the catleman putting cattle out in the park I would be worried about them dying from acute lead poisoning as there are quite radical people opposed to grazing . In the Barmah Forest it was fairly common for carcasses being found minus their hind quarters . 20 minutes with a trailer and hoist and 2 people would have the legs in the trailer and be off
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2-Feb-2011 2:21:16 PM
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hi all
if people are concerned about the re-introduction of grazing its really important that you tell the government.
Its early days for the Coalition, if people don't tell them its a bad idea, they will claim a mandate to continue.
There is an action alert, with email addresses for key people here:
http://themountainjournal.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/alpine-grazing-action-alert/
thanks!
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2-Feb-2011 3:19:53 PM
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On 31/01/2011 lacto wrote:
>If I were the catleman putting cattle out in the park I would be worried
>about them dying from acute lead poisoning as there are quite radical people
>opposed to grazing . In the Barmah Forest it was fairly common for carcasses
>being found minus their hind quarters . 20 minutes with a trailer and hoist
>and 2 people would have the legs in the trailer and be off
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Wouldn't those be people simply stealing meat, rather than anyone with any kind of political motivation?
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2-Feb-2011 5:14:24 PM
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Thanks, thats a wonderful 'scarey greenies have guns and chainsaws and are roaming the hills dismembering cows' conspiracy theory.
Just as an aside to the original post, I once stumbled across some 4Wders cutting up a cow near Mt Lovick, i can assure you they weren't 'greenies', and they were also pretty damn scarey when they realised i was alone and i'd seen what they were doing...
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2-Feb-2011 5:25:52 PM
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On 2/02/2011 Cam Walker wrote:
>Thanks, thats a wonderful 'scarey greenies have guns and chainsaws and
>are roaming the hills dismembering cows' conspiracy theory.
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>Just as an aside to the original post, I once stumbled across some 4Wders
>cutting up a cow near Mt Lovick, i can assure you they weren't 'greenies',
>and they were also pretty damn scarey when they realised i was alone and
>i'd seen what they were doing...
Have you seen the movie Deliverance?
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2-Feb-2011 5:29:56 PM
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It was actually a bit of a 'deliverance' moment. Almost dark, 3 really drunk blokes with a gun, a spotlight and very big knives. Me, a young hippie looking guy with a backpack. "Me, no i'm not a greenie, why do you ask?" ...
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2-Feb-2011 6:51:22 PM
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The Royal National Park just south of Synny used to have a problem with deer, until the NPWS embarked on a cull.
I used to get the occasional chunk of venison from the shackies at Era.
Just sayin....
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3-Feb-2011 6:25:10 PM
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What about the feral bikers out on tracks which are clearly marked NO BIKES
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3-Feb-2011 6:27:26 PM
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On 19/01/2011 kieranl wrote:
>The theory seems to be that if you say something loudly enough and often
>enough, eg "Grazing reduces blazing" that it will be true.
>Whereas the science to date says that there was no significant impact
>of wildfire between grazed and ungrazed areas.
>if the science had said : 'Evidence is equivocal" or "Not enough evidence"
>then you could make a case for a trial, but that isn't the situation here.
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But that's because the next day, someone will pay some other guy in a lab coat to come out with a 'scientific' study concluding the opposite viewpoint.
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5-Feb-2011 11:20:50 AM
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http://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/rare-find-could-halt-highcountry-cattle-grazing-20110204-1agxz.html
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15-Mar-2011 4:36:41 PM
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Stop alpine grazing – it’s a park not a paddock!
Stop alpine grazing –
it’s a park not a paddock!
WHY: The Baillieu Government has reintroduced grazing to Victoria’s
Alpine National Park under the guise of a flawed science project.
Cattle were banned from the park in 2005, now they are back – damaging
threatened species, trampling wetlands and spreading weeds.
While this may benefit a few cattlemen it comes at great cost to Victoria’s
natural heritage. National parks are for nature, not cattle.
SPEAKERS: Environment groups, scientists, politicians and others. Watch
our website for regular updates – www.vnpa.org.au.
WHEN: Wednesday, April 6, 2011. Doors open 6.30pm, for a 7pm start.
WHERE: Box Hill Town Hall, in the main hall, 1022 Whitehorse Rd, Box
Hill. Melway Reference: Map 47 E9. The town hall is a six minute walk from
Box Hill Station (Lilydale and Belgrave lines) or a three minute walk from
the last tram stop on Route 109.
BRING: Feel free to bring your waterproof jacket and bushwalking gear
to show your support for national parks.
COST: Free. Donations welcome.
MORE INFO: To learn more about alpine cattle grazing visit
www.vnpa.org.au, phone us on 03 9347 5188, or email vnpa@vnpa.org.au.
Organised by the National Parks Association.
Supported by Friends of the Earth, The Wilderness Society, Environment Victoria and The National Trust.
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18-Mar-2011 1:44:44 PM
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Another thing you might consider doing is commenting on this guy's ill-informed blog post.
http://bundarrahdays.blogspirit.com/archive/2011/03/18/grazing-battle-not-about-the-environment.html
#justsayin
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18-Mar-2011 1:51:10 PM
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Do we need to add anything beyond what Liam said?
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18-Mar-2011 2:51:18 PM
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On 18/03/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Do we need to add anything beyond what Liam said?
Not really. But once I get home I'm going to plus one him.
The interwebs here do weird things. It was caught in tuesday 4am for a while yesterday.
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18-Mar-2011 3:27:15 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/18/3167797.htm?section=justin
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21-Oct-2011 8:52:30 AM
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/canberra-moves-to-stop-alpine-grazing-in-victoria-20111020-1madd.html
Good.
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21-Oct-2011 10:31:10 AM
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This was wrong on so many levels. Hopefully the federal government decision, has put this to bed.
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21-Oct-2011 10:43:27 AM
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Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?
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21-Oct-2011 11:40:11 AM
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On 21/10/2011 JimmyS wrote:
>Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces
>Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?
Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.
(Sometimes, there's the luck of the Darwin awards, though)
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21-Oct-2011 12:26:03 PM
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On 21/10/2011 JimmyS wrote:
>Still can't believe that MCAV are STILL going with the "Grazing reduces
>Blazing" argument... Haven't they been proven wrong to many times?
Mark Coleman, president of the MCAV has a letter in the Age complaining of the lack of balance in The Age's coverage. Bare-faced gall. That mob have got so much positive coverage (romantic man-from-snowy-river stuff) and much of their "side" of the argument is just to abuse the scientists working in the area.
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