General Climbing Discussion

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nmonteith 17-Jan-2011 10:27:59 AM	Im intrigued to know from people who voted 'yes' on this poll if they would use these words in conversation with a gay person? This isnt a hypothetical as there are quite a few gay and lesbian members on this forum. ODH especially - how many gay friends do you have? And do you constantly refer to them as you refer to them on this forum? If not - why?
nmonteith 17-Jan-2011 10:30:49 AM	On 17/01/2011 Sabu wrote: > We are all adults, I am sure we can all >regulate our own behaviour in accordance with what is socially appropriate >without the need for specific rules about words deemed offensive. Ha! There is just so many warnings and emails us moderators can send out to certain people. They still don't get it.
nmonteith 17-Jan-2011 11:02:40 AM	Its in my best interests of sanity to not have to moderate or send warning emails. I'm not suggesting an automatic removal of this material but hope that people understand its not what we want to see on here.
climbingjac 17-Jan-2011 11:59:13 AM	On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >Surely if almost half of the users find it offensive it shouldn't be allowed? Agree with you 100% Neilio. The free for all attitude is a bit naive imo... should a person be allowed to do whatever they please and say whatever they please? Not really... if everyone did whatever they pleased then murder and public beatings would be legal. There's a certain amount of decorum and respect for others that is surely due. It is the year 2011 after all...
climbertron 17-Jan-2011 12:40:59 PM	Isn't calling something negative gay the kind of thing high schoolers tend to do? It's kind of funny this forum has this problem
DanMac 17-Jan-2011 12:50:04 PM	On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >Im intrigued to know from people who voted 'yes' on this poll if they would >use these words in conversation with a gay person? This isnt a hypothetical >as there are quite a few gay and lesbian members on this forum. ODH especially >- how many gay friends do you have? And do you constantly refer to them >as you refer to them on this forum? If not - why? I do tend to use "gay" as a general negative term (e.g. drive all the way to the mountains, walk to the crag, half way up first route, starts raining. "This is hyper-gay" would be exclaimed without a second thought). I suppose it is just habit from high-school days... I do have several gay friends and I speak the same around them, doesn't bother them at all. I don't see them as "different" so it's never been an issue... on the contrary, they tend to use the term "faggot" more often than I would!
Billie W 17-Jan-2011 1:37:30 PM	what a bizzare question....
Wendy 17-Jan-2011 3:18:11 PM	I find some of the responses bizarre too! On 15/01/2011 Marssan wrote: >So here goes. The question you are answering in this poll is: > >Is it OK to use "gay", "fag" or any of their derivatives eg. faggotry >to describe something negative / lame / weak or undesirable on the Chocky >forum. I didn't read the question as a matter of free speech or of whether words should be moderated, marssan asks straight out if it's ok to use gay as a degoratory term. Which it unequivocally is not. If you take all discussion of moderating chocky out of the poll and more than 50% of respondants still choose yes the word is ok, i'm going into another one of those moments of depression on the state of the world. And the discussion about self moderation - well we obviously haven't been doing enough because it's been brought up. Self moderation has to be practiced to work. I suspect that even when people haven't blocked ODH (which must lead to a bizzarely patchy forum at times!), we've all developed a bit of self blocking - ie, his blatant setting out to offend means you start to habitually ignore those bits and thus he isn't even succeeding in the effort to shock you anymore. What this can mean though, is that new or less regular users, or users who are particularly affected by his current theme of the moment, will be much more sensitive to it, but there is no doubt he posts some offensive drivel. Anyway, in my world, using gay as a derogatory term is not OK , because in order to have any meaning, it relies on people accepting that to be gay is negative, weak etc etc. No amount of defending free speech will change that. I wouldn't at this stage to moderate it, purely because that puts more work on moderators already, but as users, maybe we need to look out for and speak up more about things. There are probably people here who've never thought what this use of gay actually meant. Now they're thinking about it. Maybe they'll stop using it. There is a world of difference between using gay as a term describing sexuality (which is common in queer circles) and as a derogatory term.
Wendy 17-Jan-2011 3:21:00 PM	On 17/01/2011 climbertron wrote: >Isn't calling something negative gay the kind of thing high schoolers tend >to do? It's kind of funny this forum has this problem I had that impression too. Maybe people get back to preschool and get excited about poo, wee and bum now too.
nmonteith 17-Jan-2011 3:24:27 PM	...and can I say once more - if people find something offensive and don't want to post a reply on the forum - please contact me via a personal message or email! Sometimes things slip under our moderator noses.
climbingjac 17-Jan-2011 5:57:26 PM	The internet is a very powerful communication tool. It can be used for good things or bad things. At the end of the day, what we are really talking about here is whether we really want Chocky to allow members to be derogatory towards a person/demographic simply because the person whose company they adore most happens to be of the same gender. For heavens sake let people get on with the business of being happy. It's 2011. Can't even believe that this conversation is being had, really. I'd rather see Chocky used for good communication.
martym 17-Jan-2011 7:38:09 PM	On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >Im intrigued to know from people who voted 'yes' on this poll if they would >use these words in conversation with a gay person? This isnt a hypothetical >as there are quite a few gay and lesbian members on this forum. Is it ok to use "redneck, hillbilly, ignorant yobbo" etc. as a derogatory term, even though most of the people here would never say it in person when confronted by such behaviour? Seriously, there are quite a few rednecks and yokels on this forum; many of whom have probably voted on this poll.
Miguel75 17-Jan-2011 11:50:41 PM	On 17/01/2011 rolsen1 wrote: >The two most active "god-bothers" have (ironically, but not unexpectedly) >posted above in support of discriminatory language and behavior, I think >you should be safe. Sorry, I think I've missed the ironing rolsen1. I do believe I've stated plainly that I am against bigotry of all kinds. In both posts I have merely stated that I am pro freedom of speech and all that goes with it; the good, the bad and the ugly (and the "God-Botherering") What I find interesting is that while I have never called anyone a name here on Chocky, (except for one nastyish reply to a post of 'rightarmband's') or written a post including derogatory, obscene or rude comments, I'm singled out as a supporter of discrimination and bigotry; and labelled a god botherer to boot. It is what it is and I like Chocky, and rational discussions, all the more for it.
Miguel75 17-Jan-2011 11:57:07 PM	On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >There is no clandestine group working behind the scenes. It's just individual >votes. Guess again Neil. We're hard at work converting the faithless and taking over Chocky.... one poor soul at a time!
rolsen1 18-Jan-2011 7:54:56 AM	On 17/01/2011 Miguel75 wrote: >On 17/01/2011 rolsen1 wrote: >>The two most active "god-bothers" have (ironically, but not unexpectedly) >>posted above in support of discriminatory language and behavior, I think >>you should be safe. > >Sorry, I think I've missed the ironing rolsen1. I do believe I've stated >plainly that I am against bigotry of all kinds. In both posts I have merely >stated that I am pro freedom of speech and all that goes with it; the good, >the bad and the ugly (and the "God-Botherering") > >What I find interesting is that while I have never called anyone a name >here on Chocky, (except for one nastyish reply to a post of 'rightarmband's') >or written a post including derogatory, obscene or rude comments, I'm singled >out as a supporter of discrimination and bigotry; and labelled a god botherer >to boot. > >It is what it is and I like Chocky, and rational discussions, all the >more for it. > Sorry Miguel, I was simply replying to ODH's concerns about Christians starting polls to remove anti-christian references from chocky. "God Botherer" was ODH's word, I only quoted it and I even misspelled it. Sorry I neglected to quote his post more obviously. I assumed from both yours and Sabu's post that you voted "Yes" to the poll. I can see the "irony" in this, even if you can't. As for "singling you out", both you and Sabu have openly talked about your faith on here, you have "singled out" yourself. The posts both of you make will be associated with your beliefs (and your religion) by many every time you post, if you didn't want this then you shouldn't have discussed your beliefs on chocky. For the record, I have both gay and christian friends and I wouldn't write or behave on here any differently than I would when I was with them. Also, for the record I voted "No"
patto 18-Jan-2011 8:28:29 AM	I voted No. Its not ok. I am more than happy making gay jokes and laughing at stereotypes. I would do this with gay friends. But referring to something negative as gay is simply immature, dumb and totally offensive. On 17/01/2011 climbingjac wrote: >On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >>Surely if almost half of the users find it offensive it shouldn't be >allowed? > >Agree with you 100% Neilio. > >The free for all attitude is a bit naive imo... should a person be allowed >to do whatever they please and say whatever they please? I strongly disagree with this reasoning. Democratic decision making on freedoms can lead to the loss of many freedoms. What if there was an Australian public vote about banning outdoor climbing? On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote: >Its in my best interests of sanity to not have to moderate or send warning >emails. I'm not suggesting an automatic removal of this material but hope >that people understand its not what we want to see on here. A fair enough attitude.
Miguel75 18-Jan-2011 8:39:53 AM	Thanks for the clarification rolsen1. You're right, I have singled myself out a number of times around my beliefs as they're fundamentally part of me. Looking back at my first post I should have been more clear in denouncing bigotry, along with my protect freedom of speech dialogue. I can see the irony though don't believe it's incongrous with my beliefs. People are inherently free to act in the manner they see fit but must own their words and actions. For the record the language I use everyday at home, on Chocky and at work is the same that I use around my gay family members, friends and colleagues. And I voted to bring back egg flip big m...
rolsen1 18-Jan-2011 10:57:54 AM	The question you are answering in this poll is: Is it OK to use "gay", "fag" or any of their derivatives eg. faggotry to describe something negative / lame / weak or undesirable on the Chocky forum. On 18/01/2011 Miguel75 wrote: >snip >And I voted to bring back egg flip big m... Good to know where you stand on this.
pmonks 18-Jan-2011 12:20:17 PM	On 18/01/2011 rolsen1 wrote: >For the record, I have both gay and christian friends Ah, but how many gay AND Christian friends do you have?? [edit] And yes, for the record, I had a mate who came out and was born again at about the same time, although last I heard he was "non-practicing" at one of them.
Sabu 18-Jan-2011 1:10:10 PM	On 18/01/2011 rolsen1 wrote: >The question you are answering in this poll is: > >Is it OK to use "gay", "fag" or any of their derivatives eg. faggotry >to describe something negative / lame / weak or undesirable on the Chocky >forum. For the record, I don't mind being singled out, however, I trust that people understand that my views are my own and are not intended to be associated or generalized to any third parties etc. Nevertheless, I can see how such associations arise and therefore I try to be careful about the content of my posts. If the question above had no underlying motives then my answer is no. However, in voting i read between the lines of the original post, which is to form a basis of introducing new rules about the content of posts. My response to this has been clearly presented. The current chockstone policy already specifies against posts that >contain extremely offensive language, blatant racism, sexual harassment, or >out right personal attacks on other forum members. I believe this can applied when required for issues such as these, without the need to include specific regulations and therefore increase the workload of the current moderators. This rule also enables people to freely post and to self-regulate should any offense arises.

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