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Trashing Tassie ... it's beyond salvation
jesus
17/03/2011
4:28:13 PM
>>>Love ya work/play , Simey...


Although I will demand a discount on my lentil-burger ... for your disgraceful walk on the dark side ... with the septic effort of ' Menzel as anything '




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jesus
17/03/2011
5:25:34 PM
Pole Dancer ... Free Route ... Freed Route ...................... Ive just been talkin with DAD ...and s/he pointed out that this raises another issue ....

.... More effort should have been made by Steve Monks and Simey to check the free-climb-ability and trad protection potential of the original aid route... which now co-hosts , but is not replaced by ... The Freed Route ...

Now let me clarify ... while hanging off my skyhook on Ben , I had a very good look ... I can assure u that there is no ' feasible ' removable protection across the 7 metre vertical face .... and bear in mind that the last ' natural ' runner was 2 metres below where the first crack pinched out .... and then about 1.5 metres up from the start of the second crack / seam .......hmmmm .....maths .......2 bolts in 10 + metres .............. very ADVENTUROUS climbing on an adventuous mountain flank .............. with distant views , across the valleys and plains to .........................grid-bolted pox glinting in the sun light ....which iis comercially / publically hailed as some of the best Tassie has to offer ...


jesus
17/03/2011
5:43:42 PM
Crazyjonny convinced himself :

>>>The local ethic is no bolts....


WHA ???...... AND U THK FULL-ON SPORT IS THE " LOCAL ' ETHIC AT FINGAL ???

... tune in ., buddy ... TASSIE IS GETTING TRASHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...ITS BEYOND SALVATION ...


AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









crazyjohn
17/03/2011
6:06:52 PM
There are no bolted routes at Ben Lomond and have not been for 30 odd years. Therefore the local ethic is no bolting. You never placed any bolts from a skyhook. In fact, you never climbed any new routes there at all. You are a liar. Your opinion is worthless.


John Fischer
Sandy Bay
Tasmania
jesus
17/03/2011
8:18:47 PM
On 17/03/2011 crazyjohn went CRAAAAAAAAAAAzy :

>>>bolted routes at Ben Lomond...

I prefer to call my spiritual transformation of the 'local ' reality , a ' QUALITY semi-bolted adventure route ' ...

: D

... I also prefer to call my two lil ' safety facilitators ' ... ' carrots ' ....

>>>and have not been for 30 odd years.

Errrrr .... wasnt there some bolted abseil anchors a while ago ?? : Doesnt Fantini's monstrosities count as BIG HOLLOW FKN BOLTS ???

>>>Therefore the local ethic is no bolting....

Therefore ur facts are wrong .... twice ...............and like it or not ... a new wave of climbing history has already eeeeaaaaased its way forward .... gently carressing the remoter , exsquiste areas of Ben ... .... and I say again ... common sense and RESPECT ... will dictate where ADVENTURE climbing stops and ' sport ' climbing starts ....

>>>You never placed any bolts from *a* skyhook....

Well thats sort of right and sort of wrong ... I snapped a skyhook once .... so I always use two ...

>>>In fact, you never climbed any new routes there at all.

In ur jaded dreams , my friend ...................


>>>You are a liar.

Yeah...well ... ppl have been saying that for the last 2000 years ...

>>>Your opinion is worthless.

I deal in facts ......... I would love to hear the ' opinions ' .... from Joe Friend , Wayne Stevens , Bob Stazooski ....(and even Mick Ling , whose mind was blown , when he did a repeat ascent of Pedraic Pearse) ... about wot they think of wots going on at Fingal these days ...............

...AND I am confident that they would approve of my sensible / sensitive / discrete placement of my two .... " HELLoooOOOOoooo !!!! "... two ...ADVENTURE carrots at Ben ...




The Honourable
>John Fischer
>Sandy Bay
>Tasmania

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Its alright , CJ ... Im here for you ...




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Grunt Master
Online Now
17/03/2011
9:03:42 PM
Hello all,

I happen to be the lucky person who owns the property at the base of the cliff know as Bare Rock, in Fingal, Tasmania.

First let me state that I am in no way any form of 'good' climber, in fact, I am far from it. I do however love it. What I do not love, is the rubbish that some people spray. Insulting... petty...etc. Almost every climber I have MET in PERSON has been respectful, polite and generally great to be around. I thoroughly enjoy sharing my home / rope / days with such people. We share a common passion, so that is not so hard to achieve. Where has this respect gone?

As for the bolting at Fingal, I have been personally involved in a bit of it lately. Bolts have gone where no trad route was possible (to my admitedly less than 'ultimate' climber eyes), so I struggle to see why "jesus" is saying that this is trashing the crag. Routes have been inspected for trad possibilities long before bolts have been placed. (Yes I am therefore 'wussy' for not going ground up... but that was my decision, based on my abilities and I am not pretending any different to seem more 'hardcore'). The intention being quality routes, but obviously not a bolt sitting next to a perfect gear slot!

Have you even been there lately and tried some of these new routes? Personally, I think the climbing is great, most who I have talked to agree, and I certainly think these climbs ADD to a section of the cliff that has not been developed previously. If you have been out here, then you failed to (out of courtesy) ring and say hi, as requested when we purchased the property. This process was only implemented after our place was robbed... now the neighbours look out for it. It would however seem to be simple courtesy to say hi when using someone's private road, as well as (usually) parking on their property. I would certainly have loved to shout you a beer and have a chat. Some of my homebrew is even "passible" these days!

On the access issue...yes it is a private road, that I just spent thousands fixing up, with a side bennefit that ALL climbers can access this place if they wish to. (A call to alert the neighbours and I does not seem a high price to pay for this). It saddens me to think that people would think so poorly of the efforts to enable all climbers the opportunity to enjoy more of the amazing climbing that is to be found on this cliff. If you have not visited lately, perhaps you should come and try these routes before you condem / trash them?

Whatever the outcome, I know that I am unlikely to change the very fixed opinions of some... but can I please ask that you simply consider that someone else's opinion may also be equally valid to them? And a final request... how about a little more respect to each other... as stated, almost every climber I have ever met has been a great person... why can't we be that way on line as well?

Kind regards


Andrew
jesus
17/03/2011
9:05:58 PM
AAAWWWWWwwwwwwwwww BEAUTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


* feverishly eating pop corn as begins to read the Grunt Master *
jesus
17/03/2011
9:12:34 PM
>>>I certainly think these climbs ADD to a section of the cliff that has not been >>>developed previously...


Yeah .... good one mate .... the issue is FINGAL ... not one bit of it ...

... Im sure a neighbouring brick n tile bungalow , furnished with Chiggers and barking dogs .. would ADD to ur ' section ' of rural tranquility at Fingal ...
jesus
17/03/2011
9:15:56 PM
>>>almost every climber I have ever met has been a great person... why can't we be >>>that way on line as well?

: D

Simeese and Gerry are the best of back-slapping mates when thr face2face ...

:P


jesus
17/03/2011
9:19:42 PM
>>>perhaps you should come and try these routes before you condem / trash them?

Dude ...ima veteran ... I know wot th fks goin on there... ................stay off the home brew and WAKE UP to wots REALLY being trashed in ' ur ' ( NOT ) ....backyard ...



Grunt Master
Online Now
17/03/2011
9:19:50 PM
I agree that not all people will get on.

What I cannot agree with, is why some people feel it is ok to be so blatently rude!

RESPECT other's opinions, as well as yourself.

If you can't manage that... say nothing at all.

Kind regards

Andrew
jesus
17/03/2011
9:21:44 PM
Yeah yeah ... hide behind your ' polite ' ...' tresspassers will be prosacuted ' mentality...


jesus
17/03/2011
9:24:32 PM
>>>RESPECT other's opinions...

Before or after they GLUE in their very hard to remove U-bolt ? ...
jesus
17/03/2011
9:27:27 PM
>>>someone else's opinion may also be equally valid to them?

>>>THEM

yeah exactly !!!!! .... THATS Y WE HAVE WORLD WARS !!!!!!!!!!! [Personal abuse deleted by Moderator]
jesus
17/03/2011
9:30:56 PM


" I agree with u , jesus".

[Personal abuse deleted, and a first and final warning PM sent to jesus by Chockstone Moderator].

jesus
17/03/2011
9:33:07 PM

OK ... just for the record ... naughty words ...h###y ... and d######g .... thx mod ...but I and others feel very passionate about wots going on with rampant consumerism in Tassie these days ...
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Chockstone Moderator
17/03/2011
10:25:01 PM
On 17/03/2011 jesus wrote:
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>OK ... just for the record ... naughty words ...h###y ... and d######g
>.... thx mod ...but I and others feel very passionate about wots going
>on with rampant consumerism in Tassie these days ...
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I know you are aware of Chockstone Policy which amongst other things states;
Posts containing extremely offensive language, blatant racism, sexual harassment, or out right personal attacks on other forum members are unacceptable. On the other hand, light hearted banter, general cursing & expletives, and heated, confrontational debate is fine.

It wasn't the naughty words. It was the unwarranted personal attacks.
It is fine to be passionate. Just be respectful in how you present your passion.

Gavo
17/03/2011
10:50:07 PM
On 17/03/2011 Chockstone Moderator wrote:
>On 17/03/2011 jesus wrote:
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>>OK ... just for the record ... naughty words ...h###y ... and d######g
>>.... thx mod ...but I and others feel very passionate about wots going
>>on with rampant consumerism in Tassie these days ...
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>I know you ......
>.....passion.

Wow.. Jesus was wrong about something
jesus
17/03/2011
10:51:12 PM
Ok then ...I shall calmly resurrect this thread ...


>>>unwarranted personal attacks / general cursing & expletives, and heated, >>>confrontational debate is fine....

Wow .... sometimes thats hard to differentiate when ura hard core Aussie like jesus ...

Anyway ...Grunt Master ... ur lack of history knowledge since Mr Johnson ... I think ... owned the land .... is .... less than ideal ...ahem ...

jesus
17/03/2011
10:55:37 PM
>>>Wow.. Jesus was wrong about something ....

Not really ...DAD just shoved a lightening bolt up my rz as soon as one of the ...ahem...alleged...unwittingly-involved perpetuators arrived on -line ...

hope thats politically correct enuf ... Im not necesarily referring to Grunt Master ...

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