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Australia goes down the toilet!
maxdacat
23/08/2010
9:25:10 AM
On 22/08/2010 Duncan wrote:
>
>You are an ignorant, redneck piece of shit.

How is this not moderated? If that is not a personal attack i don't know what is.
Gareth
23/08/2010
9:27:01 AM
Bigot:- refers to a person hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation and religion.

Phil is certainly hostile towards gay people. He was hostile towards the new gay mp BECAUSE he is gay, therefore Phil is a bigot. It's not name calling it's statement of fact.


Sabu
23/08/2010
9:29:05 AM
On 23/08/2010 J.C. wrote:
>Well whatever he's started it's kept me mildly entertained through a long
>night of writing a sociology paper and that's all I could ever ask

Same here except it was an essay on self disclosure and psychological practice!
Hugh
23/08/2010
9:31:47 AM
gareth, given i read the moderated post i still wouldn't call it biggoted
simey
23/08/2010
9:33:10 AM
On 23/08/2010 maxdacat wrote:
>On 22/08/2010 Duncan wrote:
>>
>>You are an ignorant, redneck piece of shit.
>
>How is this not moderated? If that is not a personal attack i don't know what is.

That wasn't an attack. That was simply a clear description of Phil based on his original post.


nmonteith
23/08/2010
9:34:11 AM
On 23/08/2010 Hugh wrote:
>gareth, given i read the moderated post i still wouldn't call it biggoted

Exactly. You read the moderated post.
Hugh
23/08/2010
9:44:29 AM
If I read it, then so will have many others. Does that make many of these comments unjustified as they too were not privied to what ever rubbish had come out?

simey
23/08/2010
9:46:42 AM
I've gotta say I loved this paragraph...

On 22/08/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>On an adventure camp one Christmas the bus driver mentioned that he hated
>Pauline Hanson. So I told him in front of all the kids that I loved Pauline
>Hanson. by the end of the trip all the kids were on my side and the bus
>driver still hated Pauline Hanson. Great discussion was had by all and
>it was all in good fun. The bus driver and I are still good mates and Pauline
>Hanson is no where to be seen. Fun times.

Why do I miss out on all the fun?
maadness
23/08/2010
9:54:42 AM
On 23/08/2010 nmonteith wrote:
>And to throw a cat amongst the pigeons. So what about kids who have come
>from sperm & egg banks, surrogate mothers or been adopted? They would also
>not have a mother and father in the classical sense.

Just like jesus!

I have to say im very pleased with the election outcome, as i i had $100 at 4 to 1 for a hung election and i don't vote,and that is my democratic right. So piss off all you Age reading bigots.

PS1, is anybody also pleased to see that Maxine (I'm an ABC star, vote for me) McKew got shafted in Bennelong! Haha suck poo friends of the ABC

PS2, What is the greens policy of printing out how to vote cards? Do they have a deal with Gunns?

PS3 I tried to warn them but they didn't listen. Don't put a female in charge! Look what happened to the Democrates

nmonteith
23/08/2010
10:03:36 AM
On 23/08/2010 maadness wrote:
>On 23/08/2010 nmonteith wrote:
>>And to throw a cat amongst the pigeons. So what about kids who have come
>>from sperm & egg banks, surrogate mothers or been adopted? They would
>also
>>not have a mother and father in the classical sense.
>
>Just like jesus!

Ha! I never heard that before. That's awesome. He must have been very confused growing up.
maxdacat
23/08/2010
10:10:57 AM
On 23/08/2010 simey wrote:
>On 23/08/2010 maxdacat wrote:
>>On 22/08/2010 Duncan wrote:
>>>
>>>You are an ignorant, redneck piece of shit.
>>
>>How is this not moderated? If that is not a personal attack i don't
>know what is.
>
>That wasn't an attack. That was simply a clear description of Phil based
>on his original post.
>
>

Well i didn't have the "pleasure" of reading the original post in full so I will have to take your word for that.
sportdad
23/08/2010
10:34:10 AM
Just thought I'd add my support to Neil and Gareth's comments.
Sure, Phil has the right to say certain things in public, but if he expresses those sort of comments, then he must accept the consequences.
I certainly will not miss him as a facebook "friend" (Bye, Phil). Maybe Phil will miss the respect that a lot of people used to have for him.
I'll keep my gay friends, colleagues, and clients over Phil any day.

tmarsh
23/08/2010
10:37:45 AM
On 23/08/2010 Hugh wrote:
>...snip...He just doesn't think gay marriage would work.

I don't know that the straights are exactly setting a high bar in this regard. In fact given the right mess that a lot of heterosexual couples make of their relationships and subsequent offspring, it's probably about time we encouraged some other group to have a crack.
maxdacat
23/08/2010
10:38:51 AM
On 21/08/2010 rockotter wrote:
>Debating whether I should move overseas, I don't think I can deal with
>an Australia where only a little over 10% of the country believe in anthropomorphic
>climate change and compassion for people fleeing persecution. Can anyone
>suggest somewhere with half a soul and heart that has good climbing?

Back on the original topic, how much extra would you be prepared to pay for your enery requirements in order to reduce emissions to combat the climate change you are so worried about?

gordoste
23/08/2010
11:11:29 AM
Well well well. I am a bit disappointed about all of the personal attacks on Phil rather than actually trying to allay his concerns. Surely the Greens are in favour of free speech? It's interesting how some people think it's not OK for Phil to question the ability of some people to raise a family, however it's totally OK for them to say that his vote is a waste of space and he's an "oxygen thief" etc. All this does is entrench the "green loony" stereotype and it's all rather self-defeating.

Saying that only 10% of the country believe in climate change and compassion is just ridiculous. 80% of people said in polls that they want the Government to do something about climate change. It just doesn't convert into votes for a lot of reasons, mostly the stigma of being associated with the loony greens who think they have a monopoly on intelligence (some of them obviously inhabit Chockstone).

Two quotes - not exact and I can't remember who said them but the ideas are definitely relevant

1. I disagree with what you're saying but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

2. No matter how reasonable the position, shoving it down people's throats will discourage them from agreeing.
anonymous
23/08/2010
11:54:03 AM
My dear old Dr Phool!

How you've made such an arse of yourself on these forums over previous weeks. While you were once held in high esteem by a majority of the climbing fraternity, it appears that many people no longer seem to see you under the same light any more. Some of them going so far as to develop rather low opinions of your character and motives. This doesn't refer to just your political views either.

Unlike a majority of people here, there will no longer be any more debates or putting up with the idiotic, damaging, bigoted and divisive opinions that you spew forth unto the various climbing forums.

Instead, I have a somewhat different idea in mind, are ready to play the game?


















































We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

nmonteith
23/08/2010
11:59:52 AM
On 23/08/2010 gordoste wrote:
>Well well well. I am a bit disappointed about all of the personal attacks
>on Phil rather than actually trying to allay his concerns. Surely the Greens
>are in favour of free speech? It's interesting how some people think it's
>not OK for Phil to question the ability of some people to raise a family,
>however it's totally OK for them to say that his vote is a waste of space
>and he's an "oxygen thief" etc. All this does is entrench the "green loony"
>stereotype and it's all rather self-defeating.

I will say it again. I have NO ISSUE with Phil or anyone else discussing the pros and cons of gay marriage on Chockstone, providing it is done so in a respectful and sensible fashion. Phil did NOT do this. He used words and phrases that are offensive to most people. The equivalent of calling all black people the N word. It was abuse straight out and will not be acceptable on this forum. If he used these terms in the workplace his employer would probably have to fire him. If he spoke like that in a pub on Oxford street the police (or ambos) would probably cart him off. He needed to treat people with respect. It's not every day I get an inbox of complaints from other chockstone users - but I did after Phil's comments.
Hugh
23/08/2010
12:01:02 PM
jee, peoples true colours seem to be coming out..... Times don't change, everyone still likes a good old lynching...

Hendo
23/08/2010
12:23:46 PM
On 23/08/2010 Hugh wrote:
>jee, peoples true colours seem to be coming out..... Times don't change,
>everyone still likes a good old lynching...

I think ideas which foster hate can have an advantage from a survival of the fittest perspective so it makes sense.
kieranl
23/08/2010
12:25:12 PM
On 23/08/2010 tmarsh wrote:
>I don't know that the straights are exactly setting a high bar in this
>regard. In fact given the right mess that a lot of heterosexual couples
>make of their relationships and subsequent offspring, it's probably about
>time we encouraged some other group to have a crack.
Could you clarify that last sentence :)

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