Chockstone Forum

      Sponsored By
      ROCK
   HARDWARE

Chockstone Photography

Australian Landscape Prints

Chockstone Forum - General Discussion

General Climbing Discussion

Author

Batman?


spiinal

22-Oct-2009
8:21:19 AM

hello. I'm wondering if someone could tell me what this term 'batman' means appearing in some route descriptions.

eg. batman 4m to good ledge

-- cannot find a definition in Chockstone Dictionary

Cheers


masterofrup

22-Oct-2009
8:39:54 AM

never had the pleasure whilst climbing but i think it means make like batman (old dodgy tv series version) and climb the rope by turning the camera to one side and just strolling up. how the rope got there in the first place I dont know but perhaps a long stick?


pmonks

22-Oct-2009
9:11:11 AM

On 22/10/2009 masterofrup wrote:
>never had the pleasure whilst climbing but i think it means make like batman
>(old dodgy tv series version) and climb the rope by turning the camera
>to one side and just strolling up. how the rope got there in the first
>place I dont know but perhaps a long stick?

Yep that's pretty much it - stick clip the first bolt then haul up to wherever the route officially starts.


evanbb

22-Oct-2009
9:15:14 AM

It's what sport climbers call 'ethics'.

martin saint

22-Oct-2009
9:17:41 AM

It's very helpful at crags where the rock starts a few metres up and below that is essentially vertical dirt - stops the plants getting killed and the erosion getting worse

Olbert

22-Oct-2009
11:36:39 AM

It can also skip a really hard/awkward/impossible roofy bit if there is a completely eroded layer of rock. Meaning you dont get rediculously hard starts ruining perfectly good routes


IdratherbeclimbingM9

22-Oct-2009
11:42:55 AM

Olbert wrote;
>you dont get rediculously hard starts ruining perfectly good routes

... or if long enough become their own route?^{Heh, heh, heh}.


Robb

22-Oct-2009
11:45:39 AM

looks like they are 'clucking'


nmonteith

22-Oct-2009
11:56:10 AM

Here is two examples of ridicules batman starts at Wingello in NSW. The 2 ladders are a permanent
addition...


evanbb

22-Oct-2009
11:57:18 AM

On 22/10/2009 Robb wrote:
>looks like they are 'clucking'

For those not in the know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AiYaSyXcg4


ajfclark

22-Oct-2009
12:16:40 PM

Clucking reminded me of Base humping which reminded me of this video. Also, just found the making of BASE humping video.


pmonks

22-Oct-2009
12:30:13 PM

On 22/10/2009 nmonteith wrote:
> The 2 ladders are a permanent

Are those wooden rungs? If so they'll be about as "permanent" as the ladders at Diamond Bay.

widewetandslippery

22-Oct-2009
12:39:01 PM

I really don't think Batman and Robin had any strap on action when clucking....... M9 that photo is, na I'm going to shut up


IdratherbeclimbingM9

22-Oct-2009
12:42:25 PM

On 22/10/2009 widewetandslippery wrote:
>I really don't think Batman and Robin had any strap on action when clucking.......
>M9 that photo is, na I'm going to shut up

... good thing too, or else ~> Kapow!!!

Yair,we'rewatchinyaWW&S!


cruze

22-Oct-2009
1:42:30 PM

Those ladders redefine jiggerypokery. I can't imagine having them clipped to my harness and having to place them on lead.

widewetandslippery

22-Oct-2009
2:04:40 PM

Jiggeryandpokery and those photos?


cruze

22-Oct-2009
4:15:03 PM

On 22/10/2009 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Jiggeryandpokery and those photos?
I think that the expression that you are looking for is "buggerypokery", as in "climb arete to water pocket at 90 cm and with a bit of buggerypokery wangle in a nut or two".


IdratherbeclimbingM9

22-Oct-2009
5:00:03 PM

>The 2 ladders

Interesting technique demonstrated on the longer of those 2 ladders...

Speleologists who are used to free-hanging wire ladders would be horrified to have their technique tarnished by ascending the 'edge' of the ladder; especially where they meet the rock at the top, as progress in that mode is made more difficult.
Opposing heel and toe, along with diagonally opposed arm/hand action, allows 'front-on' ladder ascent, with the ability to pull it away from the rock at the top and make the ladder-mantle move.

Who cares! ... I hear the chorus saying in the background.
Photo is of climbers at a climbing site and whatever style goes! ;-)


nmonteith

22-Oct-2009
5:15:35 PM

On 22/10/2009 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Speleologists who are used to free-hanging wire ladders would be horrified
>to have their technique tarnished by ascending the 'edge' of the ladder;
>especially where they meet the rock at the top, as progress in that mode
>is made more difficult.
>Opposing heel and toe, along with diagonally opposed arm/hand action,
>allows 'front-on' ladder ascent, with the ability to pull it away from
>the rock at the top and make the ladder-mantle move.

Got any photos or video showing this technique? Climbing that ladder at Wingello was a nightmare!


rodw

22-Oct-2009
5:26:56 PM

Technique described is much easier on a wire ladder...that wooden one not so easy....

One such as this in action....

There are 31 messages in this topic.