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Tiger Wall - Dribble Bolting?


Sabu

26-Aug-2009
11:40:52 PM

On 26/08/2009 Mike Bee wrote:
>On 26/08/2009 otmab wrote:
>>This seems all the more surprising,
>>because, apart from the significance of The Arapiles worldwide, it's
>also
>>in a state park.
>
>>-snip-
>
>> - you shouldn't put bolts on climbs at the Arapiles
>
>>-snip-
>
>>Why isn't there a committee that you need to contact if you want to make
>>a change to the Arapiles?
>
>>-snip-
>
>>I wouldn't advocate this for other crags - but the Arapiles is special.
>
>The place would be called "The Arapiles" if it was a range of mountains,
>like "The Flinders" (short for The Flinders Ranges), or "The Gramps" (short
>for The Grampains National Park). As it is, it's a single mountain, so
>it's "the Mount", "Mt Arapiles", "Arapiles", "Araps", or "the 'piles" as
>some like to call it.
>
>Calling the place "The Arapiles" is like saying "I'm off to climb the
>Everest", or "I'm off to climb the Kosciusko". It's grammatically incorrect
>(and a pet hate of mine, so that why I'm pulling you up on it).
>
>Sorry, now back to the previously running circular argument!

Yes mein Fuhrer !!

Wendy

27-Aug-2009
7:06:04 AM

On 26/08/2009 tastybigmac wrote:
>it is the arapiles mountains

So you can tick it's classic trekking peaks of Dec Crag and Mitre Rock


ajfclark

27-Aug-2009
7:17:47 AM

On 26/08/2009 Mike Bee wrote:
>it's a single mountain, so it's "the Mount", "Mt Arapiles", "Arapiles", "Araps" or "the 'piles" as some like to call it.

Admittedly this jars with my grammar nazi brain too but why is "the 'piles" ok but "the Arapiles" not ok? Doesn't the apostrophe indicate that it's a contraction? The only thing I can see it being a contraction for is "the Arapiles".

Wendy

27-Aug-2009
7:41:12 AM

Maybe it's really THE Arapiles, as in the one and only, the unique and insurpassable,"I met Kermit the Frog today" "Really? Not THE Kermit the Frog?" "Yes, THE Kermit the Frog!"


ajfclark

27-Aug-2009
7:47:20 AM

But there's two isn't there?


Sarah Gara

27-Aug-2009
8:46:46 AM

Otmab - I'm insulted that you got that far through this drawn out thread but couldn't be bothered with my on car shopping. -we are just the last 20 posts or so the rest is old.
Also it wasn't the lenght of yours that was the issue -I'm over the topic - It's borring complete dribble -And to prove how old it is I bet that joke has been used at least 5 times.

-If M9 is still bored he might do links to them all for you if we ask him nicely...

Jesus christ man -grammar lessons now?!

I wonder about the arapalies mountains -it's just one isn't it - or are you counting Mitre rock... I don't have a clue so don't shout at be if they are indeed separate bits. x

otmab

27-Aug-2009
9:09:12 AM

>(Wendy) Maybe it's really THE Arapiles, as in the one and only, the unique and insurpassable
That's also how I see it - but in hindsight, perhaps in that case it'd be "Arapiles, The Rock" :)

>(Mike Bee)It's grammatically incorrect (and a pet hate of mine, so that why I'm pulling you up on it).
I think it's fascinating how issues that are crucially important to human X are of absolutely no interest whatsoever to fellow-human Y, who shares 99.9% of X's DNA. And human X genuinely can't understand why human Y would feel that way, and vice-versa. Internet forums have a way of bringing this to the fore!! For example, it's bizarre (to me) that people would waste minutes of their time posting 'this thread is bullshit' or 'this grammar is wrong' on a thread about bolting at Araps. But, I'm sure they're thinking I'm equally bizarre.

>(Mike Bee)Sorry, now back to the previously running circular argument!
What circle? Sometimes, when people are utterly sick of talking about something, they say 'We're going 'round in circles'. As a newb, I'm trying to better understand the 'rules' for bolting at Araps, and perhaps improve the situation there. I think that is a useful discussion.

>(Eduardo Slabofvic)The only people who would go on the committee are the same people who are spraying bolts all over the place.
I don't get it. If you're passionate about what they're responsible for, you either get on the committee, or make sure someone who represents your view is on the committee. It's your choice whether to participate (directly/indirectly) or not. I think participating in a committee like that would beat ranting on Chockstone after bolts had been placed!!


IdratherbeclimbingM9

27-Aug-2009
9:50:35 AM

On 27/08/2009 otmab wrote:
>perhaps in that case it'd be "Arapiles, The Rock" :)
>
The Rock is up near Wagga Wagga...
;)

38 replies on camping / discussing 'The' at 'Arapiles' over here.

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In the future 'Dave the perpetrator' defends pillage and-

widewetandslippery

27-Aug-2009
10:00:07 AM

otmab not all of us want rules as rules are usually used to control the individual to protect property owners and the family unit.

otmab

27-Aug-2009
11:12:07 AM

Agreed, wiSewetandslippery. Rules don't make sense. It's too complicated for rules. That's why there'd
only be 1 rule. If you want to make a change (bolt, belay anchor, 'cleaning' a route, laying concrete), ask
the committee first.


ajfclark

27-Aug-2009
11:14:34 AM

Could a committee be considered somewhat responsible in the event of a failure?


nmonteith

27-Aug-2009
11:34:55 AM

How would you get on this committee? The Nati climbing fraternity is already highly fragmented, what
makes you think they would ever reach a consensus over anything? This committee would require crazy
insurance to cover their asses if someone died on a route that they had voted to keep un-safe. The VCC steers clear of any involvement in rebolting for exactly this reason - they don't want to be sued!


IdratherbeclimbingM9

27-Aug-2009
11:41:33 AM

On 27/08/2009 otmab wrote:
>Agreed, wiSewetandslippery. Rules don't make sense. It's too complicated for rules. That's why there'd only be 1 rule. If you want to make a change (bolt, belay anchor, 'cleaning' a route, laying concrete), ask the committee first.

I can see it now ~>

Dear Committee,
Can I climb without having any personal responsibility? Have you already discussed this and agreed yet? Did you write a book?
Yours irreverently,
Newbie/experienced/perpetrator!

& earlier otmab wrote:
>Why isn't there a committee that you need to contact if you want to make a change to the Arapiles? It definitely wouldn't be the VCC. It'd be a small group of volunteers in Natimuk. If you wanted to put a bolt in (etc.) you'd have to talk to the committee. If you didn't, your bolts would be ripped out.

Why not VCC? Why not Parks Vic? Why not the Federation of European Arapiles Holiday Climbers?
… I imagine the amount of discord amongst any of them would be about equal to that in Natimuk! Heh, heh, heh.

>Small, local committees for local issues can work extremely well. They're functional, and efficient.

~> It depends on who is on them, and whether they are altruistic or not!

>I wouldn't advocate this for other crags - but the Arapiles is special. It's a treasure, in a global sense, and I want my son, and his children, to experience it in the same way I have.

That's noble, but why not the same for elsewhere? After all, my 'safety' might be different at a different location…
☺

otmab

27-Aug-2009
11:41:35 AM

On 27/08/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Could a committee be considered somewhat responsible in the event of a
>failure?

I assume you're talking about a 'bolting failure'? ie Bolt falls out, someone dies, someone drops drill on
someone's head, someone dies.... No, the committee just says it's OK to put the bolt in, they don't do
the bolting. It'd simply be a small group of locals that care passionately about the subject, and meet
semi-regularly. *Bolting hopefuls would know they'd need to contact the group first*.


nmonteith

27-Aug-2009
12:04:35 PM

But if they vote NOT to put an extra bolt in, then someone falls off and gets injured due to there not being
a bolt - theoretically that committee could be blamed for not making it safe enough. This is not my
personal belief - but the way lawyers work!


Eduardo Slabofvic

27-Aug-2009
12:12:47 PM

On 27/08/2009 nmonteith wrote:
> This is not my
>personal belief - but the way lawyers work!

Indeed. As it is never the fault of the person who decided to go and do the climb.

psd

27-Aug-2009
12:31:41 PM

What on earth makes you think this committee would ever agree on anything and if they did it would be "the right thing"?


nmonteith

27-Aug-2009
12:36:54 PM

People will always disagree.


Robb

27-Aug-2009
12:39:51 PM

On 27/08/2009 nmonteith wrote:
>People will always disagree.

i'd agree with that neil


ajfclark

27-Aug-2009
12:40:53 PM

And we've all heard the saying, which is true as well as witty,
That a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee.

from Peter and the Commissar by Allan Sherman

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