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Tiger Wall - Dribble Bolting?


Sarah Gara

23-Aug-2009
10:01:33 AM

I always have to have the last word! eek! x


miguel75

23-Aug-2009
3:30:01 PM

Me too.


rodw

23-Aug-2009
6:12:46 PM

Not me.

Trent Williams

23-Aug-2009
7:20:09 PM

Glenn's post would have to be the most logical and concise post in this thread. Well done.

jimfalla

24-Aug-2009
1:22:38 PM

Logical and concise does not make it right. Retro bolting is wrong.


nmonteith

24-Aug-2009
1:24:51 PM

This is like Bold and the Beautiful... you miss a few years worth of episodes, tune back in and its the same plot line still being dragged out...


IdratherbeclimbingM9

24-Aug-2009
1:33:53 PM

On 24/08/2009 nmonteith wrote:
>This is like Bold and the Beautiful... you miss a few years worth of episodes,
>tune back in and its the same plot line still being dragged out...

Shame on you nm! That is no way to talk about simeys cafe!
Heh, heh, heh.
☺

drdeviousii

24-Aug-2009
2:28:26 PM

your all carrying on like a bunch of f---ing queenslanders. going cane toad hunting tonight?


mattjr

24-Aug-2009
4:21:18 PM

On 21/08/2009 howzithanging? wrote:
>AND THATS THE END OF THAT CHAPTER

brendan

24-Aug-2009
7:47:15 PM

so just to ease everyones mind, roberstonja (jason) is not a bolt nazi we have been in the Blue mountains for the last 3 days and have had fun climbing and clipping bolts, however that is the blue mountains, and every area has there own ethics and i think this is where the intial problem is. Jason is not complaining about someone painting numbers on a boulder in Fontainebleu or bolting a climb in Nowra, he is complaining about someone bolting a belay in a traditional climbing area, he obviously feels pissed off as someone has taken it upon themselves to bolt a belay on a trad route that was not bolted on the first ascent, the route sounds like a peice of shit anyway. Its the principal, just like when Robert McMahon & Gerry Narkowicz chopped there own abseil anchor on Ben Lomond to prove a principal about not bolting on Ben Lomond, if the belay was fiddly and gear hard to find when he was preparing the route for the guidebook maybe he should have included that in the guidebook, at the end of the day i don't really care, i just want araplies to be a trad cliff with strong ethics, look at the UK they have tiny little cliffs that are not world class but there ethics are what makes the place what it is, its the principle of the debate not the actual climb or bolts

tastybigmac

24-Aug-2009
8:39:01 PM

get over yourselves. as i said before this whole thread is a load of bullshit.

simey

24-Aug-2009
9:07:27 PM

Brendan,
Look forward to reading what you have to say once you have a better understanding of the history, development, ethics and enviromental concerns of various cliffs and climbs.

brendan

24-Aug-2009
9:35:45 PM

On 24/08/2009 simey wrote:
>Brendan,
>Look forward to reading what you have to say once you have a better understanding
>of the history, development, ethics and enviromental concerns of various
>cliffs and climbs.

sorry are you talking about araplies or about various cliffs

simey

24-Aug-2009
9:49:11 PM

On 24/08/2009 brendan wrote:
>sorry are you talking about araplies or about various cliffs

Arapiles and other cliffs.

brendan

24-Aug-2009
10:18:58 PM

i really am trying to learn the history, development, ethics and enviromental concerns of various cliffs and climbs. thats why i have been traveling around the last couple of years to as many places and cliffs as i can (i have only been climbing for 4 years), can you tell me a place i can go to further my education? or was there something else you were trying to get at??

simey

24-Aug-2009
10:48:53 PM

I was emphasising the subtleties that might dictate why bolting is tolerated in certain situations and not in others.

brendan

24-Aug-2009
10:57:57 PM

thats ok, i thought you were having a go at my lack of experience : ) at the end of the day i dont really care about who bolted what, when, why, how. I think the whole thread started off with abit of a piss take about someone bolting an anchor that they thought as unnecessary at a trad cliff


rodw

24-Aug-2009
11:25:50 PM

Piss take on chocky..then it getting outta hand......that just dosn't happen does it ???? :)


The good Dr

24-Aug-2009
11:59:59 PM

On 24/08/2009 brendan wrote:>i really am trying to learn the history, development, ethics and enviromental>concerns of various cliffs and climbs. thats why i have been traveling>around the last couple of years to as many places and cliffs as i can (i>have only been climbing for 4 years), can you tell me a place i can go>to further my education? or was there something else you were trying to>get at??>

there are a number of great sources of climbing history in oz. try guidebooks (and not just the recent ones), climbing mags (ditto) and talking to the people who have been around for a long time (whose memories are still intact despite abuse from illicit substances). as an example the blue mountains climbing history extends back considerably further than arapiles with an interesting and long history as a 'trad' area. look back to some of the startling ascents by dot butler and dr dark and ask why in the blue mountains they did not continue that tradition and also why you accept the current status there and criticise elsewhere.


mattjr

25-Aug-2009
12:16:19 AM

On 24/08/2009 rodw wrote:
>Piss take on chocky..then it getting outta hand......that just dosn't happen
>does it ???? :)

Imagine an Arapiles with NO bolts, NO pitons... just traditional climbing.. NO EXCEPTIONS

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