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OT: Skeptics vs Alarmist Cage Match unSpectacular!

evanbb
3-Sep-2009
9:12:04 AM
On 3/09/2009 lacto wrote:
>plus his kids seem to think our farm
>is their playground.

Aren't you allowed to shoot animals on your farm?

Asked a guy at work what he did on the weekend (he's got a couple of hundred acres at Captains Flat in the hills east of Canberra). 'Shot the neighbours dogs.' Did he know you were shooting them? 'Yep. Told him if I ever caught them chasing my sheep again I'd shoot them. So, they were chasing my sheep, I caught them, took them to his place, told him I was going to shoot them, and he said 'well, you ought to.' Then I shot them and he helped me bury them'.

Good stuff.

Can't believe we've made 700 posts on this thread.
lacto
3-Sep-2009
11:21:10 AM
slight problem with shooting , shooters licence expired when I failed to tick the spot saying i didn't have an aggravated violence order on me and I sent a water rate notice showing the area of land I owned as the requested council rate notice doesn't state anywhere the area of the land , was away when returned so licence lapsed .
I may encounter a problem when my stated reason to get a new licence is humane disposal of animals, eradicte feral pests and the neighbours KIDS.
Bit like the act that was nearly made law in Victoria that stated it was legal to fire guns at animals, or a policeman carrying out his duty on public roads.

evanbb
3-Sep-2009
11:34:32 AM
Fun stuff. If you're a nerd.
http://www.environment.gov.au/apps/boobook/mapservlet?app=rea

Wind map for Australia. Much more detailed than any I'd seen previously.
pete05
4-Sep-2009
4:15:21 PM
You can also buy a victorian wind atlas. Its not nearly as accurate as its made out to be though.
Wendy
13-Sep-2009
9:33:44 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20090907/coal/

Finally got around to watching last week's 4 corners on CCS. By the time we got to the 3rd "we will be the 1st CCS plant in the world" and yet another piece of empty land (in this case, qld bush) is shown, I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry. It's very clear on how far away it is, how unsure we are that it will work out anyway, how expensive it is and how dependant on govt subsidy it is.

SwineOfTheTimes
23-Nov-2009
10:36:37 PM
Here's one for all you zealots from the cult of climate change.
How do you defend your high priests and demigods now?


http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483&srvc=business&position=recent

If you would like the link to all the emails and data that was sexed up just ask :)

evanbb
24-Nov-2009
6:26:22 AM
On 23/11/2009 SwineOfTheTimes wrote:
>Here's one for all you zealots from the cult of climate change.


Hehehehehehehe. Was wondering when someone would dredge this thread back up.

I've read about 15 pages discussing their contents so far and haven't seen anything I'm worried about. If you have some specific passages that you think indicate something serious is up I'd love to see them.


Oh, for those that are wondering a University of East Anglia server was hacked last week and 60MB of emails were downloaded. They host the Climate Research Unit, or CRU, which has contributed some papers to the IPCC. Most of the sceptical arguments hinge on the use of the word 'trick' in one of the emails.

Here's RealClimate's analysis:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/

billk
24-Nov-2009
11:55:45 AM
I would have thought starting a trend line with the hottest year in recorded history to "prove" temperatures haven't been rising also counts as a "trick." I expect there have been plenty of "tricks" done on both sides as people try to make messy data look as clean as possible.

ajfclark
24-Nov-2009
11:57:46 AM
Isn't that the point of statistics? Pick the answer you want and then figure out how to manipulate the data to support your point of view?

IdratherbeclimbingM9
24-Nov-2009
12:02:57 PM
On 24/11/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Isn't that the point of statistics? Pick the answer you want and then
>figure out how to manipulate the data to support your point of view?

It is subterfuge submarines!
What this thread needs is more submarines!
GravityHound found a good one and posted it on the wrong thread, so I will copy it here.

There ya go GH; ~> fixed it for you!

evanbb
24-Nov-2009
12:04:50 PM
This is the best graph of temperature vs time I've seen:

TonyB
24-Nov-2009
12:19:48 PM
On 24/11/2009 evanbb wrote:
>I've read about 15 pages discussing their contents so far and haven't
>seen anything I'm worried about.

Not surprising that a Canberra alarmist is either too blind or too stupid to see ClimateGate as the death knell for the global warming scam. ( The Hadley Centre by the way is the heart of the IPCC - Working Party No1. )

After all who cares about data fraud; attempts to hide the current global cooling trend; deleting of critical data; a desire to “get rid of the Medieval Warm Period”; and suppression of real science from sceptics. All standard Canberra politics eh ?

My favorite however, are the comments from the Hadley programmer on the old program used for create those average global temperature trends:
"Oh, my giddy aunt. What a crap crap system."
"The whole thing reads like - try everything I can think of and see if anything happens to look sort of ok. It doesn't look like logical science to me."

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/bishop-hills-compendium-of-cru-email-issues/#more-12994

http://ukginger.net/FOI2009/FOIA/documents/HARRY_READ_ME.txt

Global Warming - RIP

Beware of half witted alarmists on belay.

evanbb
24-Nov-2009
12:41:32 PM
Excellent stuff Tony. Been waiting for a classic ad hominem attack as well.

Calling it ClimateGate hardly winds up the credibility meter.

Goodness, you referenced Andrew Bolt as well.
lacto
24-Nov-2009
12:42:31 PM
yep global warming is really not happening !!!!! up to the 20th of november average temps for northern vic were 7 degrees above average , melbourne exceeded its minimum for november by a not too inconsiderable 2 degree and dont worry the 57 billion tons of ice off the east antarctic ice self over three years is only 0.16 mm in sea level rise. drought in MDB is now entering its 10th year

harold
24-Nov-2009
12:45:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SWAytBHG90&feature=player_embedded#

GravityHound
24-Nov-2009
12:59:41 PM
TonyB, TonyB. No posts for a while and then you come back lobbing insults at gentle Evan. Pls don't harass left-leaning hex-using public servants. Such easy targets........

This whole email thing changes nothing. Blind and stupid Canberra alarmists look at it and go "heh, this adds f*ck all to the debate". Sceptics are now running telling us all we have been brainwashed and this is PROOF AGW is a crock. There is so much other PROOF that AGW is a crock (your fabulous macro for example) that it seems to be the boy who cries "ice age".

For the record, my favourite comment is scientist Ben Santer quoted as saying he would like to "talk to a few of these (sceptics) in a dark alley". Finally a real Sceptics/Alarmist cage match. $50 on the alarmist.







IdratherbeclimbingM9
24-Nov-2009
1:05:39 PM
On 24/11/2009 GravityHound wrote:
>For the record, my favourite comment is scientist Ben Santer quoted as
>saying he would like to "talk to a few of these (sceptics) in a dark alley".

He also is quoted in the Youtube (harold) link above, as being tempted, very tempted to beat the crap out of Pat Michaels the next time he sees him at a scientific meeting. ~> @ 2.25 into the clip.

evanbb
24-Nov-2009
1:16:44 PM
The whole thing is just developing into such an awesome soap opera.

Interesting too (to me anyway, a politics nerd) to watch the way those of the right have been 'prosecuting' this case. The jumping to conclusions from scant fact, reminds me of the way Turnbull botched the Grech email.

billk
24-Nov-2009
2:39:05 PM
November heatwave set new records

November 24, 2009 - 2:14PM

AAP

As heatwave conditions hit last week, record temperatures were recorded across much of southeastern Australia.

There was no hotter place than Marree - the small town hit 47.4 degrees Celsius last Wednesday, making it the hottest place in Australia that day. The town is situated at the junction of the Oodnadatta and Birdsville tracks, on the edge of the desert 685km north of Adelaide.

It was also South Australia's second highest temperature on record for November, and a few degrees short of the 50.7 degrees recorded in Oodnadatta in January 1960.

The Bureau of Meteorology said NSW records for November were broken both in terms of maximum and minimum temperatures with Wanaaring, about 180km west of Bourke, recording a high of 46.8 degrees on Friday.

Record highs for November were recorded across much of south-eastern Australia during what the bureau described as "an exceptionally prolonged heatwave".

Record heat was felt in 10.2 per cent of Australia, including 41 per cent of NSW and 29 per cent of South Australia, with 68 weather stations recording new highs for November maximum temperatures.

"The duration of this event was exceptional, especially in South Australia and parts of western Victoria," the statement said.

"In Adelaide, there were eight consecutive days above 35 degrees. This run of high temperatures is far in excess of the previous November record of four."

For the month to date, maximum temperatures are averaging 6.26 degrees above normal in Victoria, 6.20 degrees above normal in NSW, and 5.52 degrees above normal over South Australia.

Canberra equalled its November record - 38.9 degrees - last Friday.

Wendy
24-Nov-2009
7:48:22 PM
Ah, I feel like an old friend's back in town ...

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