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lets talk about lost gear,... now also booty found

dalai

7-Feb-2005
3:55:38 PM

On 7/02/2005 WM wrote:
>Ok so here's the dilemma:
>I scored a booty cam on the weekend. I know who left it there, and he's
>already bought a replacement. At the time he only had limited time to
>retrieve it due to 'encouragement' to hurry the $%^$ up so we could have
>our ropes back to go climb something else. But OTOH it only took me 5 seconds
>to get out, so it must be said that it was a pretty lame cleaning effort
>originally! :)
>
>Does he deserve it back!?

I hope this is a troll Will and not a serious question!!
Answer is obvious, as one day the same may happen to you and you would be relieved and happy to get your gear back.

Same goes for all you other cheap bastards!!


neats

7-Feb-2005
4:40:27 PM

I would give it back...I once held onto a bolt plate for 6 months with the intention of giving it back to the owner. When I chatted to who I thought the owner was, he said it wasn't his!!

So I used it, forgot about it on a climb and it was bootied by someone else...


rodw

7-Feb-2005
4:55:23 PM

Bootys only booty if ya dont know whos it is....otherwise its stealing pure and simple.


sabu

7-Feb-2005
6:20:57 PM

On 7/02/2005 neats wrote:
>I would give it back...I once held onto a bolt plate for 6 months with
>the intention of giving it back to the owner.

a bolt plate is worth like $5 why bother returning? it's much more of a dilema when it involves a $100 doller cam


cheesehead

7-Feb-2005
11:19:52 PM

To what extent is a seconder responsible for replacing stuck/dropped gear?

(The Booty dilema was getting too easy)


neats

8-Feb-2005
7:58:34 AM

On 7/02/2005 sabu wrote:
>On 7/02/2005 neats wrote:
>>I would give it back...I once held onto a bolt plate for 6 months with
>>the intention of giving it back to the owner.
>
>a bolt plate is worth like $5 why bother returning? it's much more of
>a dilema when it involves a $100 doller cam

for me, it was the principle...


Breezy

8-Feb-2005
9:13:00 AM

On 7/02/2005 cheesehead wrote:
>To what extent is a seconder responsible for replacing stuck/dropped gear?
>
>(The Booty dilema was getting too easy)

My climbing partner and i have a general agreement that when seconding the following applies;
* drop a nut - who cares
* drop a bolt plate - who cares
* drop slings - no worries
* drop a cam - you owe $100 ya dumb bastard !!
* drop a rope - see ya, you jump off to get it :P
* drop the water or the smokes - the leader has every right to push you off to go get it :P


sabu

8-Feb-2005
9:51:08 AM

ahaha that's an awsome rule!!!! fair as well

8-Feb-2005
11:22:15 AM

>I hope this is a troll Will and not a serious question!!

Yeah sorry about that, but I need *something* to get me through Mondays....
I suppooooose I'll give it back then, grumble grumble.


rodw

8-Feb-2005
11:27:03 AM

On 8/02/2005 Breezy wrote:
>On 7/02/2005 cheesehead wrote:
>>To what extent is a seconder responsible for replacing stuck/dropped
>gear?
>>
>>(The Booty dilema was getting too easy)

Thats easy just do 1 pitch sport routes with lower offs...no dilema.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

8-Feb-2005
12:47:16 PM

On 8/02/2005 WM wrote:
>I suppooooose I'll give it back then, grumble grumble.

You could always replace it in the 'donors' original placement and tell them its still there if they want to retrieve it using their own rope!

BTW, thats where this thread got side-tracked (borrowing a rope); ... They should have borrowed the cam too so that leaving it behind was no worry !!
(:P ... tongue firmly in cheek).


wombly

24-Nov-2005
9:49:34 PM

The best collection of booty was a cam, sling and a couple of draws that i found at the base of the eternity in the blue mountains early saturday morning - only to realise that it was my gear and that i'd accidentally left it there a few days before!

the ethical question here is: does the me that found it get to keep it, or do i have to return it to the me that left it behind?


Tel

24-Nov-2005
11:13:20 PM

On 24/11/2005 wombly wrote:
>the ethical question here is: does the me that found it get to keep it,
>or do i have to return it to the me that left it behind?

Well I am sure if you do a search relating to ethics, your bound to find an answer there ....hehe
;-)

climber72

25-Nov-2005
1:57:42 AM

booty found actually was the reason i got totaly into climbing. i had been in the gym and on real rock a
few times over about a six month periood, liked it but could have sat on my ass and smoked ciggies for
the next 20 with ease. anyway i was mucking around on the rocks in halls gap and found a full set of kong
chocks on an old steel screw gate, cant have been more that a year old. instantly caught the gear bug
and have since spent copious on my rack and most weekends climbing.
thank you booty god, you may have saved my life.
oh by the way, im keeping the kongs for sentimental value, but would generally return such booty. if poss.


Chalk Free

25-Nov-2005
5:20:29 PM

On 24/11/2005 wombly wrote:

>the ethical question here is: does the me that found it get to keep it,
>or do i have to return it to the me that left it behind?

Nope

If me is stupid/disorganised enough to leave it behind then its mine

lacto

28-Nov-2005
2:56:05 PM

the best booty ever available (late 70's early 80's) was to arrive at ararpiles on friday night to find the army had been there all week . If any of them were still climbing find out what routes they had done and usually 2 or 3 pieces of gear left behind on every climb. I collected 2 hex's and a crab from exodus

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