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Food being stolen at Araps


howzithanging?

19-Nov-2008
8:32:30 PM

damn strait! this theif should be caught and stoned.
i for one am going to start leaving laxetive in random food in my esky, tha will sort the bandit out
i put the call out for the next month everyone should put bait in their esky one item pumped full of drugs. that will teach them.
also.
GIVE YOUR LEFT OVER FOOD.
what ru a wank#r?

Olbert

19-Nov-2008
8:49:12 PM

In my experience climbers are generally very courteous people ie they dont steal. I think this is because most climbers learn by the master and apprentice method and who wants to take an asshole who steals food/gear/anything to learn how to climb. I havent yet met anyone unpleasant at the crag and Im hopin when i go down to araps in Dec I will not have food stolen from my esky...or gear for that matter!


nmonteith

19-Nov-2008
8:50:43 PM

On 19/11/2008 tnd wrote:
>I couldn't give a sh1t what dream anyone wants to live, as long as they
>don't expect me and other hard working members of society to subsidise
>it.

The people you donate food to will probably end up working hard, paying taxes and in the end finance your medical bills when you get old. What comes around goes around. I know I've slipped between 'dole bludger' and high earner every few years, I pretty much get paid back what I paid the tax man. The belief that a person's worth is judged solely on their financial contribution to society seems pretty brutal. The world would be a very boring place without dreamers...

surfinclimb

19-Nov-2008
8:51:50 PM

I have no problems giving my left over food to the Pines residents. If you believe in Karma at all it wont hurt you to give your leftover food to help someone else live the climbing dream. As I've always said to recipients "remember one day the positions could be reversed it might be some struggling Aussie in germany or spain that would greatly benifit from that leftover food. It might even be you reading this now.
From observation most of the food comes from schools that have to supply more food than the students are likely to eat,since the parents crack the shits if little Johnny cant have his third helping of pasta. (Dont even try and work out exactly how much food 20 15yo kids will eat for a week.)
Theres also a lot of jumping to conclusions going on here, please dont accuse the residents of such a low filthy and disgusting crime until its been proved. No one would like to be called a thief themselves unproved so dont start the name calling yet. If it is them or anyone for that matter then let the retribution begin and I say we all get to join in!!!


muki

19-Nov-2008
9:25:37 PM

On 18/11/2008 cath wrote:
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>I have no issue with people dirtbagging, begging for food, putting signs
>up for food donations, but it's really low to go through people's stuff
>while they're out climbing and steal. Grrrrr.

Cath, you're right to be upset having food stolen from your camp, but please don't insinuate that people
who are asking that any left over food be donated rather than being thrown in the bin! are thieves
All of the guys who are dirtbagging are honest friendly and reliable, I have lent them gear ropes and
other equipment on many occasions and have no doubt that they are totally innocent of the things you
have implied that they are guilty of, why didn't you go and ask them why they took your food if you are
so sure that they did this ? because you don't know who did it ! and to think that because they are
asking for charity means that they stole from you is a massive conclusion to make.
These guys have worked very hard for a long time to be able to come to this country and go climbing
in what I believe is some of the best traditional climbing in the world, for them to humble themselves to
the point of asking for your leftovers, is only so that they can stay for an extra week or two before their
money runs completely dry and they are forced to return home!
you are upset because you were stolen from, but how upset would you be if you were called a thief.
called a thief without evidence or proof, and called a thief on a national climbing forum with thousands
of members reading the posts ? this post has been viewed 1321 times so far !


wallwombat

19-Nov-2008
9:27:51 PM

On 19/11/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>What comes around goes around....

That's the crux (excuse the pun)!

> The belief that a person's worth is judged solely on their financial
>contribution to society seems pretty brutal.

And pretty f'ucked, as far as I am concerned.

>The world would be a very boring place without dreamers...

And all those glossy climbing mags and DVDs would be pretty dull if they only featured climbers with fulltime jobs.


harold

19-Nov-2008
10:26:29 PM

I have been offered left over food and water plenty of times at the pines. I think that most people who dirt bag for a while somewhere like the pines move on to successful careers and pay plenty of taxes in the end. I am pretty sure a lot of chockstoners have done just that.

I thinks its great that there are still places like Araps where you can take an extended break from society and dirtbag it up. The world would probably be a better place if everyone did it at least once in there life. Would give everyone a bit of perspective as well as some great memories.

tastybigmac

19-Nov-2008
10:32:27 PM

as someone who used to eat out of the bins at araps i agree with the food donation thing. the bins are pretty feral these days. i have had people walk up to me and give me whole boxes of food, clothes, beer, wine, plates etc. just because they were nice. stuff got passed on when in turn i left the pines for more mundane activities.

ademmert

19-Nov-2008
11:14:15 PM

>On 18/11/2008 cath wrote:
>snip
>>I have no issue with people dirtbagging, begging for food, putting signs
>>up for food donations, but it's really low to go through people's stuff
>>while they're out climbing and steal. Grrrrr.
>
On 19/11/2008 bomber pro wrote:
>Cath, you're right to be upset having food stolen from your camp, but
>please don't insinuate that people who are asking that any left over food be donated rather than being thrown in the bin! are thieves. All of the guys who are dirtbagging are honest friendly and reliable, I have lent them gear ropes and
>other equipment on many occasions and have no doubt that they are totally
>innocent of the things you have implied that they are guilty of, why didn't you go and ask them why they took your food if you are so sure that they did this ? because you don't know who did it ! and to think that because they are asking for charity means that they stole from you is a massive conclusion to make.

Hey Bomberpro..... I certainly was not implying in my original post that the people who are asking for food donations up at the Pines are the same people who are the thieves. That never even crossed my mind actually. I guess I mentioned the practice of 'dirtbagging' in order to make the distinction between the traditional practice of looking for food donations that is common (and which I have done, and my friends have done), versus stealing food which is NOT an OK way of trying to extend your climbing holiday. I can see how you read my post that way though, so I hope this clears up any misunderstandings about false accusations!

ademmert

19-Nov-2008
11:16:40 PM

P.S, the last post (and this one!) is Cath, accidentally posting under Adam's login.


howzithanging?

20-Nov-2008
6:36:49 AM

On 19/11/2008 wallwombat wrote:
>>
>Well, I guess I am a wanker, because I would gladly give away my left
>over food. I think it's a bit sad that that is one of your criteria for
>being a wanker.
>
dude i think you miss understood the post, you are a wanker if you DONT give away your left over food


wallwombat

20-Nov-2008
7:38:27 AM

Sorry about that. It was a bit ambiguous.

I went back and edited my post. Have a good day, dude.


tnd

20-Nov-2008
10:17:30 AM

On 19/11/2008 nmonteith wrote:
>The people you donate food to will probably end up working hard, paying
>taxes and in the end finance your medical bills when you get old. What
>comes around goes around. I know I've slipped between 'dole bludger' and
>high earner every few years, I pretty much get paid back what I paid the
>tax man. The belief that a person's worth is judged solely on their financial
>contribution to society seems pretty brutal. The world would be a very
>boring place without dreamers...

Yep, willing to admit that over a lifetime most people will on balance put in at least what they've taken out e.g. often doing the travel/full time climb thing while they're young then settle into the family/work thing later. It's the people who expect to spend their whole lives bludging that I object to. I've spent 20% of my working life not working, but I did it on my own savings. I'm all for dreamers, I just don't want to pay for their dreams because I've already paid for my own.


JimboV10

20-Nov-2008
11:01:40 AM

On 19/11/2008 harold wrote:
>I have been offered left over food and water plenty of times at the pines.
> I think that most people who dirt bag for a while somewhere like the pines
>move on to successful careers and pay plenty of taxes in the end. I am
>pretty sure a lot of chockstoners have done just that.
>
>I thinks its great that there are still places like Araps where you can
>take an extended break from society and dirtbag it up. The world would
>probably be a better place if everyone did it at least once in there life.
> Would give everyone a bit of perspective as well as some great memories.

I think i should probably clarify my position a bit better -

THIEVES - B*stards - throw them off Bard Terrace
DONATING FOOD - Totally down with it, I even gave a tent to a bloke in craigiebun campground and sold my downie there too
MOOCHING OFF WELFARE - Not cool. If your a student/unemployed for a reason/disabled/indigenous or whatever thats fine, welfare is there for you.
CHOOSING to be unemployed to go climbing and expecting the govt to pay for it - not cool


tnd

20-Nov-2008
11:32:28 AM

That pretty well states my views too. I sure can't climb V10 though.

Winston Smith

20-Nov-2008
12:15:07 PM

What is galling is the attitude that 9-5-worker-weekend-warriors-with-or-without-kids are somehow lesser lifeforms compared to the cool-neo-hippy-dirtbag-lifestylers.

It's clear that dirtbaggers need the weekend warriors to exist whether it's free food or dole cash.

In the plant and animal kingdoms such relationships are described as parasitical.

Gap years, dropping out and recreational activities such as climbing are middle-class, first-world conceits: the rest of the planet is too busy trying to survive from day to day.


nmonteith

20-Nov-2008
12:31:19 PM

On 20/11/2008 orwell wrote:
>What is galling is the attitude that 9-5-worker-weekend-warriors-with-or-without-kids
>are somehow lesser lifeforms compared to the cool-neo-hippy-dirtbag-lifestylers.

They could be one and the same. As soon as I'm on holidays I become feral pretty quickly, and could be mistaken for a neo-hippy!

>It's clear that dirtbaggers need the weekend warriors to exist whether
>it's free food or dole cash.

No, I don't believe it is clear! There is plenty of permanent climbers at Araps and Gramps who work on the local farms for food and cash. Local farmers rely on these workers to pick fruit for example. The olive plantations next to Mt Stapylton have been employing dirtbag dreaded neo-hippy permanents recently. Work for a day, and you can climb the rest of the week! Sounds ideal to me. No financial pressure on you and they can live out their dreams.

>Gap years, dropping out and recreational activities such as climbing are
>middle-class, first-world conceits: the rest of the planet is too busy
>trying to survive from day to day.

Rather than wallow in in the negatives, look to the positives. Be thankful you were born into the middle-class world and do have the opportunity to climb.

surfinclimb

20-Nov-2008
12:54:25 PM

On 20/11/2008 JimboV10 wrote:

>MOOCHING OFF WELFARE - Not cool. If your a student/unemployed for a reason/disabled/indignous or whatever thats fine, welfare is there for you.

Hey Jimbo why is it cool to mooch off of welfare if your indigenous(Aboriginal or Torres strait islander) but its not cool for the rest of us non indigenous Australians to do the same thing??
(Disclaimer) I'm not a moocher but believe in the system when operated fairly.

Winston Smith

20-Nov-2008
12:55:47 PM

Mate, Crux had a dirtbagging guide that included details on where to find the nearest dole office. There is truth in irony.

As for middle class world, don't assume that everyone I had the same upbringing as you ...

Wallowing in negatives? No you're right, we shouldn't have perspective, let's just be smug and happy.

widewetandslippery

20-Nov-2008
1:04:31 PM

I, having been on the dole many years ago as basicly a rockclimbing bludger find this topic very interesting and will post a thoughtful point of view when I have the chance as opposed to some random shit as I sit disgruntled in the tax paying world. I reckon this topic needs its own "topic". It is something very part of Australia climbing folk lore.

The people getting stuff pinched in the campground is this topic. Its an important topic and I really don't think people on welfare/dole bludgers are the only people who steal (MrRichardson, Mr Alder anyone?). I personally think the government are a thieving protection racket. Pay tax (protection money) or we hurt you (more protection money or gaol).

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