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General Climbing Discussion

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Oh Araps, give me your 19s, 20s, 21s!

cruze
24/10/2008
1:28:33 PM
Maybe some people like being in the herd. Not everyone wants to have an adventure and climb something suprisingly good.

Embrace mediocrity - your brain wont hurt as much.
Wendy
24/10/2008
1:32:52 PM
On 24/10/2008 tnd wrote:

>
>A lot of the time (not in simey's case I'm sure!) star ratings are based
>on one person's opinion - the FA (hardly unbiased), the author, whoever
>wrote that part of the guide etc. I think it's best to ignore them and
>have a look in an on-line source such as thecrag.com to see what punters
>who've climbed the routes are actually saying.
>

I have never found thecrag.com to be particularly informative - people tick what they have done and rarely say much about the climb. Going to the actual crag and looking for yourself would have to be the best way ...
widewetandslippery
24/10/2008
1:45:04 PM
On 24/10/2008 tnd wrote:
>On 24/10/2008 simey wrote:
>>...The funny thing about stars and hyping up routes (snip)...
>
>Some day someone should produce a guide without star ratings. I hate them,
>they feed people's herd mentality. "I went to the crag and immediately
>looked for all the three-star routes." Baaaaa! Baaaaa!
>
>A lot of the time (not in simey's case I'm sure!) star ratings are based
>on one person's opinion - the FA (hardly unbiased), the author, whoever
>wrote that part of the guide etc. I think it's best to ignore them and
>have a look in an on-line source such as thecrag.com to see what punters
>who've climbed the routes are actually saying.
>

I actually think a lot of the stars in SM/GT guide are personally biased. The evolution of the araps guide has seen stars come and go and i think this is a good thing. Hence my suggestion that where possible (and this goes for all areas, the Wolgan a fine example) the climber get all the guides. Through decades things go "in" and "out".

That well cam protectable easy classic may of been a chop route when the guide of its era was published.

Remember also that at araps routes in the grades of the thread where most often climbed onsight for the first ascent. Walk to the crag, look up, go up. (do what I say not what I do.)

gordoste
24/10/2008
1:57:08 PM
On 24/10/2008 widewetandslippery wrote:
>I actually think a lot of the stars in SM/GT guide are personally biased.

Of course they are, it says so in the introduction... if you bothered to read it before stirring the pot.

tnd
24/10/2008
2:38:08 PM
On 24/10/2008 Wendy wrote:
>(snip) I have never found thecrag.com to be particularly informative - people
>tick what they have done and rarely say much about the climb. Going to
>the actual crag and looking for yourself would have to be the best way
>...

That as well Wendy. Just have a squizz and see if it looks appealing.

Re: thecrag.com, just having a look at the overall grade rating can at least give some idea of people's thoughts, providing a reasonable number have ticked the route. It's not perfect, but the idea is there. If a route leans towards "classic" by general acclamation then that is a reasonable indicator.

I have had more than one climbing partner say, when I indicated that I wished to climb a particular route (both in Blue Mtns and Araps), "But it hasn't got any stars". Sigh!

MrsM10iswhereitsat.
24/10/2008
3:36:57 PM
On 24/10/2008 gordoste wrote:
>On 24/10/2008 widewetandslippery wrote:
>>I actually think a lot of the stars in SM/GT guide are personally biased.
>
>Of course they are, it says so in the introduction... if you bothered
>to read it before stirring the pot.

Stirring the pot? I think Mr widewetandslippery has actually made some good points on this thread, which at knock off time on a Friday afternoon is rather surprising actually, as Derek my M10 love tells me he should be into the booze by now.
I agree with your sentiment about fashion and climbing stars Mr widewetandslippery.

What do you think he was doing with the SM/GT guide in the toilet Mr gordoste? It seems to me he was suggesting reading it?

gordoste
24/10/2008
3:50:34 PM
apologies, i was being a bit nasty... but it does say in the intro that the stars are totally biased.

Eduardo Slabofvic
24/10/2008
3:59:29 PM
On 24/10/2008 gordoste wrote:
>apologies, i was being a bit nasty... but it does say in the intro that
>the stars are totally biased.

It's not only the stars that are biased.

The good Dr
24/10/2008
4:46:37 PM
On 24/10/2008 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:
>On 24/10/2008 gordoste wrote:
>>apologies, i was being a bit nasty... but it does say in the intro that
>>the stars are totally biased.
>
>It's not only the stars that are biased.

Yeah, and some people got to occupy more space on the pages than they really should

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