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Dogs at Arapiles??

salty crag
18/09/2012
4:38:52 PM
Any dog near my camp will be spit roasted on my fire... what no fires arghh
tastybigmac
19/09/2012
1:56:15 PM
In the 90's, at Mt Arapiles dogs were allowed in the picnic area only, not in the camp ground itself. I have no idea of the current rules.

ajfclark
19/09/2012
2:07:43 PM
We just had this discussion on the previous page.

The park information page on parks' site (which Tracey confirmed is more current than the management plan found on the same) says dogs and other pets are not allowed in the park

Climboholic
20/09/2012
9:44:40 PM
Thanks for the updated info. I won't be taking my dog anymore.
TonyB
21/09/2012
6:37:57 AM
I love dogs, as long as they are well cleaned and gutted and done with a teriyaki sauce.

mattjr
21/09/2012
1:30:11 PM
Agreed, I tried some dog in the Vietnamese Central Highlands. Very tasty!
Winston Smith
21/09/2012
3:40:19 PM
Arapilies?

[Edit by Chockstone Moderator: Thread title now sorted.]
fbs003
13/11/2014
3:52:37 PM
http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/618566/Arapiles-50-brochure.pdf

Published 11/12/13 so it's newer than the 1991 Park Management document referred to in previous posts, looks like dogs were more tolerated back then. Dogs are only allowed at the Picnic shelter now.

Good brochure actually, never knew the pines were planted in 1930's to mark the centenary of Major Mitchell's visit in 1836

In case this link above goes dead here's the transcript:
Page 5 Quote:
The issue of dogs in our parks does seem to upset
people on both sides of the fence. The fact is Ė that
in the majority of parks and this includes Mt Arapiles,
dogs are banned. In the case of Mt Arapiles, dogs are
allowed in the Picnic Shelter area. On many occasions
when people have been confronted in the park with
their dogs, justifications such as: The dog is on a leash.
Itís very well behaved. Itís only a small dog etc are
often offered as their reason for bringing a dog in.
There are many reasons as to why it is not appropriate
to bring dogs in. Cats also fall into the same category
although visitors are not so willing to bring cats along
for the journey. But the feral cat population is growing at
Arapiles and its surrounds and they also impact on the
wildlife in the park
One of the main reasons dogs are not allowed at Mt
Arapiles is to ensure that the park is managed in
accordance with its objectives, to preserve and protect
the natural environment and to conserve flora and
fauna. Dogs can compete with or harass, chase, trample
or prey upon native fauna, especially ground-dwelling
species. Dogs can also disturb wildlife by their scent,
sounds, scratching and digging. Dogs may also transmit
diseases and parasites to native fauna, and their urine
and excrement may attract wild dogs and foxes. Even
if a dog is on a lead and is very obedient it would be
impossible to have a rule which allowed some dogs (the
quiet or small ones) into parks and similar reserves but
not others (the big and the boisterous).

gnaguts
13/11/2014
4:02:41 PM
On 13/11/2014 fbs003 wrote:
>http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/618566/Arapiles-50-brochure.pdf
>
>Published 11/12/13 so it's newer than the 1991 Park Management document
>referred to in previous posts, looks like dogs were more tolerated back
>then. Dogs are only allowed at the Picnic shelter now.
>
>In case this link above goes dead here's the transcript:
>Page 5 Quote
snip:
>One of the main reasons dogs are not allowed at Mt Arapiles is to ensure that the park is managed in accordance with its objectives, to preserve and protect the natural environment and to conserve flora and fauna. Dogs can compete with or harass, chase, trample or prey upon native fauna, especially ground-dwelling species. Dogs can also disturb wildlife by their scent, sounds, scratching and digging. Dogs may also transmit diseases and parasites to native fauna, and their urine and excrement may attract wild dogs and foxes. Even if a dog is on a lead and is very obedient it would be impossible to have a rule which allowed some dogs (the quiet or small ones) into parks and similar reserves but not others (the big and the boisterous).

It is an equally f---ed rule, like the new park admission fees.

Back in the day before it was a national park, dogs were allowed, along whith shooting ferals and targets!
The national park bastards said to themselves, "look at this pristine area, we should lock it up to preserve it".
They csn get f---ed I say, as it was that way before they came along with their anti-dog (and cat), rules.
kieranl
13/11/2014
4:49:55 PM
I support the banning of dogs in any case but getting gnanuts knickers in a twist is an added bonus.

gnaguts
13/11/2014
4:54:51 PM
On 13/11/2014 kieranl wrote:
>I support the banning of dogs in any case but getting gnanuts knickers in a twist is an added bonus.

I love yuou too kman.
You obviously don't own a dog or cat, so what do you do for friends, apart from sucking up to authorities that are hobbled and would sell you out?
kieranl
13/11/2014
4:58:24 PM
On 13/11/2014 gnaguts wrote:
>On 13/11/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>I support the banning of dogs in any case but getting gnanuts knickers
>in a twist is an added bonus.
>
>I love yuou too kman.
>You obviously don't own a dog or cat, so what do you do for friends, apart
>from sucking up to authorities that are hobbled and would sell you out?
Nice try.

gnaguts
13/11/2014
5:05:51 PM
On 13/11/2014 kieranl wrote:
>Nice try.
A non thought out or structured reply if ever I have read one.

Please inform me how a dog ON A LEASH, quote,
>can compete with or harass, chase, trample or prey upon native fauna, especially ground-dwelling species. Dogs can also disturb wildlife by their scent, sounds, scratching and digging. Dogs may also transmit diseases and parasites to native fauna, and their urine and excrement may attract wild dogs and foxes.

This is a bullshit copout by some non pet owning wanker who got paid to write a report fot Parks Vic.

Any responsible pet owner would not allow their pet to do that and the feral wild dogs and foxes are already there so they are oblivious of encouragement.

I gather you are a Nati local.
Ok, I am open to new information. Tell me truthfully how many wild dogs and foxes you have seen at the Mt?
Whatever.
In my opinion a domesticated dog would put the fear into a feral, so do yopu have an opinion about that?

harold
13/11/2014
5:51:16 PM
". Dogs can also disturb wildlife by their scent, sounds, scratching and digging"

I don't know about the wildlife, but they disturb me with their barking, sniffing and running over my stuff, pissing and craping where ever they like, when I'm climbing - as happens in places where they are alowed like around Blackheath.

but then again I would never own an animal that I couldn't eat :)

gnaguts
13/11/2014
8:31:43 PM
On 13/11/2014 harold wrote:
>". Dogs can also disturb wildlife by their scent, sounds, scratching and
>digging"
>
>I don't know about the wildlife, but they disturb me with their barking,
>sniffing and running over my stuff, pissing and craping where ever they
>like, when I'm climbing - as happens in places where they are alowed like
>around Blackheath.
>
>but then again I would never own an animal that I couldn't eat :)

And you don't piss or crap in the woods, without appropriate burial techniques of course.
It is at Arapiles not Blackheath.
Blackheath by comparison, is almost next to my old home town of nowra so it doesnt surprise me if the rules are bogan there.


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