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Dogs at Arapiles??

pat
5/07/2007
11:52:41 AM
Does anyone know if dogs are allowed at Araps? I have checked the parks Vic site and it doesn't say anything that I can find. Our family is training an assistance dog (like a guide dog, but for people with a disability other than blindness) and we can't take it into the Gramps which was our main climbing area. So we are now looking at climbing areas in Vic that we can camp at with a dog.
dalai
5/07/2007
11:57:18 AM
There was a topic on dog friendly parks a while ago.

Checked the link for the latest list http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1process_details.cfm?note=23

Where dogs can't go

National parks and similar reserves

Rangers are often asked whether dogs may be taken into national parks and other reserves managed by Parks Victoria and the Department of Sustainability and Environment. The answer is generally 'no' - which understandably disappoints dog owners. It's 'no' even for quiet, well behaved dogs and also for cats and other domestic pets.

Why?

First and foremost, national parks are there to protect Australia's native wildlife. They are vitally important for the many species whose survival is in danger. Except possibly for dingoes, dogs are not indigenous to Australia, so our wildlife is not adapted to living with them. Smaller animals can be killed, large ones disturbed and frightened away by dogs and cats.
Even if your dog is on a lead, or is very obedient, its barking or its scent are enough to scare away native wildlife. Remember that many people go to national parks and conservation reserves to see native animals and birds in their native habitat.
Feral dogs and cats, pets which have escaped into the bush, become fierce and later generations can grow to abnormaly large sizes. Dogs hunt in packs and cause terrible damage among native birds and animals in parks.
Dogs can be a nuisance, even a real menace to other people (especially the very young and old) in picnic and camping areas, along walking tracks or on beaches.
It would be impossible to have a rule which allowed some dogs ( the quiet or small ones) into national parks and similar reserves but not others (the big and the boisterous).
In case you think Victoria is being tough on dog owners, remember that the same rule about dogs apply in all national parks in all states of Australia.
Conservation reserves are generally state and coastal parks, some forest parks, flora and fauna reserves, scenic and nature reserves and some other special reserves: Mt Alexander Koala Park (inside fenced area; Bendigo Region), Olinda Course, William Ricketts Sanctuary, Mt Dandenong Observatory Reserve and Koala Reserves (Dandenong Region).

Where dogs can go

State forests

Dogs are allowed in most of Victoria's State forests. At all times dogs must be under control and should not disturb wildlife or annoy other people.

Game reserves

Dogs accompanying licensed hunters for the purpose of duck hunting are permitted in game reserves during duck-hunting season only provided they are under control and do not annoy other people. Dogs are not permitted in game reserves at any other time.

Also

Bona fide guide dogs accompanying blind people can be taken into all national parks and similar conservation reserves and state forests.

Dogs are permitted in cars only travelling on bitumen roads which pass through national parks.



Dogs are permitted in the following parks provided they are on a leash and under control of their owners at all times

AROUND MELBOURNE

Albert Park
Banksia Park
Birrarrung Park
Brimbank Park
Bushy Park (on multi purpose trail, not in wetlands sanctuary)
Cardinia Reservoir Park
Devilbend Reservoir Park
Greenvale Reservoir Park
George Tindale Gardens
Jells Park (except in conservation area)
Karkarook Park
Koomba Park
Lerderderg SP (except Mackenzies Creek Picnic area or Grahams Dam Track)
Macedon Regional Park
Maroondah Reservoir Park (except on walking tracks from Maroondah Reservoir to Donnellys Weir Park or dam wall)
Mornington Peninsula NP (only between London Bridge & Gunnamatta & Stockyard Creek and West Head sunrise to 9am)
Nortons Park
Pipemakers Park
Silvan Reservoir Park (except forested track)
Toorourrong Reservoir Park
Upper Yarra Reservoir Park (not the forestedtrack)
Warrandyte SP (at Anderson Creek)
Wattle Park
Werribee Park (restricted areas)
Westerfolds Park
Westgate Park
Woodlands HP (except conservation area)
Yarra Bend Park
Yarra Flats Park
Yarrambat Park
You Yangs Regional Park

REGIONAL VICTORIA

Bunurong MCP
Cape Conran CP (only campsites 56-110)
Dergholm SP (at Bailey's Rocks)
Discovery Bay MP (only between tide marks on Bridge Water beach and Nelson Ocean Beach)
Enfield SP
Gippsland Lakes CP (dogs are only permitted - on a leash at all times - at the following locations: Barrier Landing, Ocean Grange, Paradise Beach, Loch Sport Causeway, The Wreck, Flamingo Beach, The Honeysuckles and between camp sites one to six on Shoreline Drive at Golden Beach.)
Hepburn Regional Park
Kooyoora SP
Lake Albacutya Park
Lake Eildon NP (Jersusalem Creek camping only)
Murray Kulkyne Park
Otway NP (part of Johanna Beach only)
Steiglitz HP
Tarago Reservoir Park
Thomson Reservoir Park
gfdonc
5/07/2007
11:59:03 AM
You can pretty much find plenty of dogs going on, especially on bolted routes above say 22. Central Gully Left Side is a prime location, plus some routes on the Right Side and choice locations such as Pharos Gully. And of course don't forget 'Dogger's Gully'.

Generally dogging is allowed but not condoned by the climbing community. It all depends on the grade. Dogging your way up India (28) will earn you some respect, but taking a sit on Little Thor is unlikely to win you any friends.

But in answer to your question, I don't believe canines are allowed at Arapiles.
dalai
5/07/2007
12:03:11 PM
Mentioned on the visitors guide

http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources05/05_0385.pdf

"Dogs, cats and firearms are not permitted in the park"

pat
5/07/2007
12:21:08 PM
Useful info I think. The dog in question has the same legal status as a guide dog - that is it is always on lead, as it is in training. You may have seen them around the city sometimes, wearing a red coat with yellow 'L' plates on them. Maybe I should try and talk directly with the ranger at Araps. I'm not looking for special treatment, just trying to find out what is and isn't allowed.
dalai
5/07/2007
12:30:32 PM
Probably best to phone the local ranger.

Guide dogs are allowed but " Bona fide guide dogs accompanying blind people can be taken into all national parks and similar conservation reserves and state forests."
earwig
17/07/2007
1:24:54 PM
You can camp at Melville Caves at Kooyoora near Bendigo with dogs.

ado_m
18/07/2007
2:04:59 PM
Mate, in case you haven't been bombarded with enough info, see link to park regulations below in context of some sniffing I did on the same issue:

"Mount Arapalies is a state park. The Park Notes state that dogs are not allowed.
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources05/05_0385.pdf

Park Regulations page 3/4 addresses dogs in parks other than national parks, and clearly restricts them other than eg. guide dogs. Fines are $500 (per last page), and ranger is permitted to shoot animals that "are at large" though I doubt this would ever happen!! I am not sure of the currency of this. http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/education/pdf/Park_regulations.pdf"

Despite the letter of the regulations, if you have a bona fide support dog, and you stuck to lesser known crags and you kept it well behaved, then the ranger would have to be a real arse to fine you. Failing that, enjoy the ice climbing at Macedon...or go to southern spain - the spanish just love their dogs on the crag.



billk
18/07/2007
2:36:21 PM
About 12 years ago, I was at Ben Cairn when a dog went too close to the edge (not that there really is an edge but you know what I mean) and decked.

So, please, if you've got your dog at the crag with you, take care.
earwig
18/07/2007
3:09:12 PM
If you do get a fine write a letter explaining that it was a guide dog in training blah blah blah and you should get off
Snowball
18/07/2007
7:51:49 PM
On 18/07/2007 billk wrote:
>About 12 years ago, I was at Ben Cairn when a dog went too close to the
>edge (not that there really is an edge but you know what I mean) and decked.
>
>So, please, if you've got your dog at the crag with you, take care.

One of my dogs sometimes finds the easy way to the top of boulders and peers over the lip down at me struggling away. He prefers to climb trees.

billk
19/07/2007
2:04:02 PM
On 18/07/2007 Snowball wrote:
>One of my dogs sometimes finds the easy way to the top of boulders and
>peers over the lip down at me struggling away. He prefers to climb trees.

Cool. Does he bark encouragement?

JBM
20/07/2007
9:26:48 AM
Some enterprising individual in Nati should offer a hostel/cabin/homestay with complimentary dog run.

If I had a dog, they would get my business 2 weekends a month...


IdratherbeclimbingM9
20/07/2007
10:01:35 AM
On 19/07/2007 billk wrote:
>On 18/07/2007 Snowball wrote:
>>One of my dogs sometimes finds the easy way to the top of boulders and
>>peers over the lip down at me struggling away. He prefers to climb trees.
>
>Cool. Does he bark encouragement?
... as opposed to barking up the wrong tree?
Heh, heh. heh.

billk
20/07/2007
1:57:47 PM
On 20/07/2007 JBM wrote:
>Some enterprising individual in Nati should offer a hostel/cabin/homestay
>with complimentary dog run.
>
>If I had a dog, they would get my business 2 weekends a month...
>

Great idea. There's heaps of climbers who have constant hassles get dog sitters. There's quite a few more who have put off getting dogs to avoid those hassles.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
20/07/2007
2:05:46 PM
On 20/07/2007 billk wrote:
>On 20/07/2007 JBM wrote:
>>Some enterprising individual in Nati should offer a hostel/cabin/homestay
>>with complimentary dog run.
>>
>>If I had a dog, they would get my business 2 weekends a month...
>>
>
>Great idea. There's heaps of climbers who have constant hassles get dog
>sitters. There's quite a few more who have put off getting dogs to avoid
>those hassles.

Maybe simey will start up a new venture?
... as long as he doesnt mix it with the old cafe/restaurant menu?
(heh, heh, heh).
:)
Snowball
21/07/2007
6:53:19 PM
On 20/07/2007 Idratherbeclimbing wrote:
>On 19/07/2007 billk wrote:
>>On 18/07/2007 Snowball wrote:
>>>One of my dogs sometimes finds the easy way to the top of boulders and
>>>peers over the lip down at me struggling away. He prefers to climb trees.
>>
>>Cool. Does he bark encouragement?
>... as opposed to barking up the wrong tree?

No encouragement, just false beta, which is kind of the wrong tree?

Chuck Norris
21/07/2007
10:24:37 PM
On 5/07/2007 pat wrote:
>The dog in question has the same legal status as a
>guide dog

our neighbour has a black Labrador in training to become a drug sniffing customs dog. Wonder if he'd be
welcome in the pines?

though i guess he could be of service to all the nati stoners who can't find their stash from the previous
night.
earwig
10/08/2007
4:39:27 PM
From the PV webpage

Camping with dogs
The parks listed below allow you to take your dog camping with you:

Lerderderg SP (except Mackenzies Creek Picnic area or Grahams Dam Track)
Upper Yarra Reservoir Park (not the forested track)
Cape Conran CP (only campsites 56-110)
Lake Eildon NP (Jersusalem Creek camping only)
Otway NP (part of Johanna Beach only)
Mt Arapiles-Tooan SP (only in Centenary Park)
Murray Kulkyne Park
Kooyoora SP
Lake Albacutya Regional Park
Dergholm SP (at Bailey’s Rocks)
Enfield SP
Gippsland Lakes CP - (Paradise Beach camping area and campsites 1-6 along Shoreline Drive at Golden Beach only)

the link

http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1process_details.cfm?activity=5


Cool Hand Lock
12/08/2007
9:44:14 PM
I've met a few dogs at Arapiles. Woof!

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