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What happened to u Chockstone, u used to be cool?


alrob

22-May-2006
9:55:42 PM

On 22/05/2006 BoaredOfTheRings wrote:
>Funny I generally don't bump into anyone during the "week" when I go there,
>and if I did I wouldn't have a clue whether they post on c--kstain or not!!

thank f--- i have a job then, that way when i go out on the weekends due to working during the week, i don't have to put up with ignorant morons like you at the crag boared. maybe you should follow your friends like a good little sheep, piss off, and share your c--kstain with the rest of you cowards who think you are all big men (or women) by broadcasting your completely one eyed views to us all, trying top be top shit, while you don't even have the balls to put your name on the end!

I first joined on 13/8/2002. I have been with this site for almost 4 years, longer then the few of those who now flood the forum with utter bullshit. Way back when, and i quote....

On 13/08/2002 alrob wrote:
>Highly dislike Black Hill, i'm just not a slab climber

through my.....

On 13/01/2006 alrob wrote:
>mouswey, when ya headed sown this way,,.....i tghinm it wise to catch up
>for a drink, the n maybe head to some internet nert acccessss.1

....phase.

and then this. This site has been going downhill for a long time, and its no one elses fault other then those who hide their pansy arses behind an alias, thinking its funny to troll the site testing peoples patience with inane, thoughtless opinions which i regard as shit on my shoe. So, to make this easier for those people to understand, i've put it in pictorial form, so as to save your tiny intellect from straining to hard in trying to read and process the following information....

Those of you who know me may find this behaviour a little (or a lot!) strange, but enough is enough. I guess you could say i've finally snapped. What began and a great resource for victorian climbers to converse, all made possible by Mikes dedication to climbing and the persuit of promoting it, is now just another forum of spitting, harrassing, namesless insults and cowards opinions.

I so wish that it could go back to how it was, or for everyones sake, somehow purge the site of all those who seem to be f---ing it up. But it can't.

I respect people like simey, who while tends to draw a lot of fire over his very opinionated views, is willing to stand up and say, "this is what i think, like it or piss off". People like Mike, Neil, Dalai, Jaq and the other mods out there, the job you do on this site is beyond a simple thanks, but thanks anyway for all the tireless hours you put into maintaining this site. So, i can understand that this post probably won't make it through the night, but hopefully it does, because i think someone needed to say it.

This is my opinion, and if you don't already know my name, click on my profile and you will find it. If you see me at the gym or at the crag, don't hesitate what so ever to tell me what you think, because i have the greatest for respect someone who will voice their opinions. I hope that those who climb with me don't think of me any less either. Although if you disagree with what has been said here, please know that there was no malice intended, I just could no longer contain my frustration any longer.

Laters people, maybe i'll turn up on the forums again when there is some intelligent debates to participate in, but until then......


ShinToe Warrior

22-May-2006
11:32:00 PM

Well said Al. Some people make it their mission to whine about things, like theirs should be the only opinions that matter.(Metaphorically) Standing on the sidelines watching others do all the work and then ripping into them because of some differences in the way they think things "ought to be done". If the anonymous posters think chocky is irrelevant or naff, hey, cool. stay away, increase the population of western victoria, climb a fricken rock, or annhilate your consciousness with the intoxicant of your choice. at least y'all won't be bloating the forums with mental diarrhoa and general spleen venting**, AND, then you can get on with your circle-jerking. remember to bring the lube :)

For a scary look at a possible future for chockstone, check out rc.com, or maybe not. myriad anonymous posters with out of control egos and a STFU I'll say and do what I like attitude (Hmm... sounds strangely familiar). whatever....

**like the general spleen venting i just did myself

adrian

22-May-2006
11:32:53 PM

I can do nothing but agree with Al here. While I have rarely posted, I've been following discussions on here for a number of years. I always enjoyed the friendly debates and discussion that covered what I consider to be important topics in modern climbing, but after the name calling and crass personal insults of late I find myself almost embarassed to be a part of the climbing community.

As a teenage climber, I was always in awe of some of the better known climbing personalities and grateful for the work they have put into developing climbing. I'm now a little disappointed by how some of these people (who are still role-models for maturing young climbers) are acting in such a public forum as this. While I'm all for an honest discussion (and I'd like to think that I'm always ready to respect other opinions) about the issues at hand, how about everyone grows the hell up and start acting like the adults we (mostly) all are.


nmonteith

22-May-2006
11:55:57 PM

...and the worst bit is that our great provider, Mickey B (founder of Chockstone), has turned into a full
time lurker. It seems he just can't handle the beast that has emerged.

spicelab

23-May-2006
12:26:31 AM

Oh settle down drama queens!!!!11111

This forum is as about as confronting as lawn bowls compared to the vast majority around.

Did anyone here ever lurk/post on boldering.com or it's earlier incarnation (can't remember what it was
called)?

Now THAT was intense. The character assassinations on that site were beyond anything I've ever seen.

Inevitably all things have a natural life cycle. Chockstone will not go 'back to how it used to be' anymore
than you will.

Intelligent debates? Can you please give the 'alrob endorsement' as to whether a debate is intelligent
enough in the future so I can at least view it in awe from the sidelines? Thanks pal.


Hatman

23-May-2006
7:06:44 AM

I thinks this mass debate aint inteligent!

For christ sake, it's not like the sky is falling in! Dont you realise alrob that by creating such a huge winge the trolls are getting exactly what they want!

chockstone is tame anyhows, ie: from canberraclimbing.com by plastered

"f--- listening to you skanks talk yourselfs up and me down makes me wanna hang myself. You obviously dont know me at all yet your very easyily hanging shit on me."

or by plastered

"Yeah thats right i split you good!!!"

or (very fitting me thinks) by me

"yar a curse be apon you all!

Shall your souls be doomed to wander the forums of satan.

And compelled you shall be to moan and bitch apon the smallest of problems.

All the while forgetting that you have bad breath and mistaking pitty for friendship.

Woe be u for the world (forum) is such a nasty place."

chris

23-May-2006
8:02:25 AM

Alrob has raised a really good point... perhaps anonymous posters should be restricted to only one section of the forum, a bit like Hexy's thread.
The queensland website also suffers a bit from anonymous posters. Crag X doesn't suffer too much as yet, maybe because it's small enough that everybody knows who the anonymous posters are, and maybe because the sport climbing style is a bit more heavily entrenched in NSW!


rodw

23-May-2006
8:25:03 AM

I think chris, and this isn't a slight on Chockstone, the reason Crag X dosn't get as heated as it dosn't take the climbing forum as serious as chockstone....opinions are obviously divided on wether thats good or bad...I enjoy reading both as its better than working......maybe on Crag X we do just think of climbing as "Fun".

But as for chockstone or any forum being "cool", face it kids, none are...we are all just a bunch of mild mannered computer nerds.:) who change into super men and women on weekends who are able to leap tall cliffs in a single bound....


Hatman

23-May-2006
8:33:19 AM

well maybe tall sydney clifs!

Stuey

23-May-2006
8:45:06 AM

I don't understand why people get such a big tizz over anonymous posters. Its the interent - Everyone is 'anonymous' to some extent. Even if I was to put my real name to a post (I do), how would you know whether it is real or not?

Some people choose to use a pseudonym because they post from work or for other privacy reasons. Their views are therefore just as valid as anyone elses.

A debate about ethics is always going to get heated as its a subject close to many peoples hearts. If you can't take a few shots while standing up for your views then you need to grow a thicker skin or flounce out the door like the OP.


mousey

23-May-2006
10:47:54 AM

On 22/05/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>...and the worst bit is that our great provider, Mickey B (founder of Chockstone),
>has turned into a full
>time lurker. It seems he just can't handle the beast that has emerged.
yeh where the hell has he gone??

>how would you know whether it is real or not?
oh my god dd you knjow that the CIA has secret spy camera everywhere and they make videotapes of you while you're on the toilet?? its true dude!!

>Crag X dosn't get as heated as it dosn't take the climbing forum as serious as chockstone
yeh we bag the sh!t out of each other and dick around but its all fun, we pretty much all know each other from the crags anyway i think so its just a big orgy of shits&giggles
>we do just think of climbing as "Fun".

>everybody knows who the anonymous posters are
serious? i could never figure out who DODbasher & DODmister were, but secretly i suspected that they were somehow related to TradNazi

>Inevitably all things have a natural life cycle. Chockstone will not go 'back to how it used to be' anymore
than you will.
damn straight- people change all the time (hell check out the retardedly stupid shit i used to post here when i first joined- superbumbly!!) so the forums change with it- that doesnt have to be a bad thing

truth be told chockers is pretty easygoing compared to most forums, as has already been pointed out... but i agree with alister to a large extent and hope that a few of the people whoo are f---ing the good ol- slightly intelligent chockstone should have a chillpill and look at some art or get laid or something, like get inspred to do contribute something a bit more productive. its one of the things i loved about hexybaby is that he could have fun on a tightarse mexican forum and bag people out but in a poetic and intelligent way that was actually entertaining.. i know im probly guilty of it at times too but relaly i dont think many people find straight out 'f--- you' 'no f--- yuou' to be entertaining....just a thought. and i dont mind anonymous posters who are out for some fun, but if you want to have any credibility to your serious opinions then grow some balls/ovaries and come out of the closet


nmonteith

23-May-2006
10:55:15 AM

On 23/05/2006 mousey wrote:
>i dont mind anonymous posters who are out for some fun, but if you want
>to have any credibility to your serious opinions then grow some balls/ovaries
>and come out of the closet

My thoughts entirely.


mousey

23-May-2006
10:56:03 AM

On 13/01/2006 alrob wrote:
>mouswey, when ya headed sown this way,,.....i tghinm it wise to catch up
>for a drink, the n maybe head to some internet nert acccessss.1

im gonna hold ya too that, soryr i waasnt in physical shape to get on it at araps...i feel i let ya down :((
we'll head to the LJ (lake jindy hotel for the uninitiated :) and get smashed up... *ninja voice* i look forward to getting shitfaced with you SOON

uwhp510

23-May-2006
11:31:34 AM

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!11oneoneeleventy!!1


Eduardo Slabofvic

23-May-2006
12:43:02 PM

On 23/05/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>On 23/05/2006 mousey wrote:
>>i dont mind anonymous posters who are out for some fun, but if you want
>>to have any credibility to your serious opinions then grow some balls/ovaries
>>and come out of the closet
>
>My thoughts entirely.

I never knew I was “in the closet”. So what I use a pseudonym, get over it. The so called real names
mean nothing to me, they belong to people I’ve never met. Are they real, or are they not real? Who
cares, they are what ever they are. It’s the internet, say what you like. To test this, type “Flat Earth” into
Google and see what you get.

My personal choice is to not post any personal information about myself on a public site, and I don’t care
that there are people who think less of me for this. You wouldn’t know me even if I did post my real
name.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. From participating in a number of threads over the past
little while, it appears to me that the only way to avoid any form of personal attack is to agree with all the
other posters on the thread. If you want to “troll” and start a flame war, then post something that is at
odds.

We are all blessed with the ability to push the scroll button and not read anything we choose, we also
have the ability to leave threads alone if we want. There is always the “members only” threads if you
want. Maybe you could ask the site mods to create a “100 points of I.D.” (like they do at the video shop)
type of thread. Or maybe you could create some kind of filter that only allows posts that in are in
agreement with point of view expressed in the first post on the thread. Or maybe you could accept that
across a society there exists a variety of opinions and that some of these opinions will differ from your
own.

This will express itself in the self regulating society of climbing as people doing things as they see fit.
Some will agree with them, others won’t. This is based on observations acquired over the last 25 years.
Nothing has changed over this time frame, the only difference is that the population numbers have risen,
with a concurrent increase in activity, but no increase in the amount of rock, hence impact is more
obvious, thus intensifying the overall effect.

If you want to start excluding people, then go right ahead, but this forum already suffers from limited
participation from the climbing community, so any further exclusion is only going to make that worse


Sabu

23-May-2006
2:23:46 PM

Well said Eduardo.


sticky

23-May-2006
7:02:58 PM

I think Kamahl said it best.

Kyle

gfdonc

23-May-2006
10:27:15 PM

Time for someone to post a trip report methinks .. and give everyone something to read.

gravitychaser

24-May-2006
6:25:00 PM

What I don't like about these anonymous forums (and I have been a member of qurank and rc.com for a few years - my name is Jason, by the way) is that people seem to have forgotten common courtesies and manners. A minority of people type quite inflamatory posts that they would not be willing to say to someone in real life.

I say that if you want to abuse someone, or slander someone, have the courage to say it to that person's face rather than slink around behind a pseudonym posting on the web.

I am sure that if a few of the posts that have been made about others and directly to some others had been said to me personnally, fisticuffs would have ensued.

Climbing is a diverse sport, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But YOUR opinion is not the only one. Respect someone elses opinion (unless it varies greatly with accepted community norms - ie. chipping, spraypainting rock, etc.). It is how a democratic society operates.

Jason.


rhinckle

24-May-2006
8:07:31 PM

I'm finding it hard to put my finger on why chockstone isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Here's a thought.

There is work and there is play.
There are lots of rules for work.
This is play.
How many rules do we need?

BTW my name is ross, i am a 52yo wrinkly, my username came from work (8 letters: first initial and 7letters of surname) it seemed uncannily appropriate. my icon is a self portrait. i made it myself. it's not difficult.

the problem, as far as i am concerned, is not that people are mouthing off anonymously. the problem is that sad little people feel that it's important to be self rightous. i'm a sad little person myself, an ageing bumbly with shrinking testicles, but in these times of newspeak and propaganda, i would hate to see restrictions on self expression, to feel the dead hand of conformism pressing down on our minds. This is a playground, not the united f---ing nations. Some people take themselves far too seriously.

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