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Bourge

2/03/2005
3:01:53 PM

Cheers Tasch, we look forward to it and hope the job search bears fruit!

In other news, I note that medical clinics have been set up on Everest and now on K2.

http://www.k2climb.net/story/k22005BaseCampMDFeb282005.shtml

I see this as a continuation in the trend of bringing the mountains closer to civilization, begun with the large scale expedition style ,espoused by Bonington and despised by Messner, Bonatti, Cesen etc, and later with advent of guided commercial operations that culminated in the disaster high on Everest in 1996.

Surely this development reduces the committment required to head into these mountain environments. Will expeditions not include a medic because they know there will be a medical facility at base camp. Will this increase the popularity of what are, some say, already overcrowded peaks.

But that said, is this a necessity brought about by the increasing popularity of this sport that the local infrastructure and service providers cannot cater to? Perhaps it negates the need for helicopter evacuations if appropriate medical care can be provided on the mountain.

Maybe we've collectively written off K2 and Everest anyway, leaving them to the masses, in favour of something smaller and more remote in another valley, or another country, so it doesn't matter


Bourge

2/03/2005
3:15:08 PM

On 2/03/2005 simey wrote:
>I'm a bit disturbed by this last posting.
>
>I'm not against the idea of mainstream media and sponsorship being a part
>of climbing. .......
......
>That's why I've always admired Czech and Polish climbers
>in the past. They used to put up the most inspiring and difficult routes
>in the Himalayas without big dollar sponsorship. They'd clean some dodgy
>nuclear reactor to scrape some dollars together and then head off on their
>next expedition with a minimum of gear and a minimum of fuss and establish
>cutting-edge routes.
>
>As for the mainstream media... well they will never understand the intricacies
>of climbing to report it well.

This is where we're at. McClimbing - media driven, sponsorship seeking, commercialization, privatization, cyber-linking, hospital-at-basecamp world

I like the reference to Jerzy Kukuczka and his mates cleaning the nuclear reactor

simey

2/03/2005
3:39:24 PM

'McClimbing'... I like that Bourge.

These are a few of the requirements that I see to becoming a McClimber...
- Aspire to climb the Seven Summits.
- Get guided up Everest with a million other people, via the easiest route, with oxygen, and with Sherpas doing almost all the work.
- Claim a first (ie. 'first Australian-born, 38.5 year-old, brunette Catholic')
- Get frontpage national newspaper coverage, but don't rate a mention in any climbing mag or journal.
- Do the lecture tour afterwards.


nmonteith

2/03/2005
3:44:44 PM

.. you forgot the 'live' webcast of the climb.

simey

2/03/2005
3:46:55 PM

Damn, I'll complain to my manager/agent/public relations officer.


nmonteith

2/03/2005
4:14:22 PM

...and if you get killed get your work mates to place a big ugly metal plaque on a cliff you have abseiled down.

James

2/03/2005
11:17:09 PM

>advent of guided commercial operations that culminated in the disaster
>high on Everest in 1996.

Why does everyone ignore the 1997 Everst disaster?? More climbers died in the '97 season (predominately Japenese & Polish nationals). What about K2 in '86?? Were there even any 'commercial' expeditions in the Karakoram in '86?

lets get some proper research happening in this cheap trashy tabloid-thread.... Borgie's World Pty Ltd is the G-Land of the Grampians...


mousey

2/03/2005
11:59:27 PM

On 2/03/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>...and if you get killed get your work mates to place a big ugly metal
>plaque on a cliff you have abseiled down.

wow,someones harbouring a tad of animosity!


Bourge

3/03/2005
8:44:08 AM

On 2/03/2005 James wrote:
>>advent of guided commercial operations that culminated in the disaster
>>high on Everest in 1996.
>
>Why does everyone ignore the 1997 Everst disaster?? More climbers died
>in the '97 season (predominately Japenese & Polish nationals). What about
>K2 in '86?? Were there even any 'commercial' expeditions in the Karakoram
>in '86?
>
>lets get some proper research happening in this cheap trashy tabloid-thread....
> Borgie's World Pty Ltd is the G-Land of the Grampians...
>

Ha! Hullo!

How many people died in any one expedition, or any one day, in the 1997 season?

In 1986 K2 claimed the lives of 13 climbers in nine different parties attempting
its summit over the entire climbing season. ...

By stark contrast, in the 1996 Everest disaster, eight people died on one day

I hope that clarifies things for you Jimbo, while you chomp on that big, tasty, humble pie(aka shit sandwich) ;)


Bourge

3/03/2005
9:06:08 AM

On 3/03/2005 JCP wrote:
>just ask any of the blueys climbers, im a real hottie for sure! :P

Simey, here's a photo of Josh from a night out in Horsham last year, for your reference

simey

3/03/2005
9:18:05 AM

Josh looks perfect for the cafe job. He won't make me look so bad.


Bourge

3/03/2005
9:37:28 AM

And Here he is.....the boy wonder, the maitre d' and owner of the fine establishment. Purveyor of fine food, wine and the arts

BTW, Are you thinking of putting internet in your cafe? It would make commercial sense for someone to set up an internet kiosk in town, even in the climbing shop, up the back of the take away etc


Breezy

3/03/2005
9:52:19 AM

On 3/03/2005 Bourge wrote:
>On 3/03/2005 JCP wrote:
>>just ask any of the blueys climbers, im a real hottie for sure! :P
>
>Simey, here's a photo of Josh from a night out in Horsham last year, for
>your reference
>
>

that shot has put me off food for a week .......
seedy, scary and ugly ..........
and some fishnet just visible to top it all off.
>
>


Bourge

3/03/2005
9:55:09 AM

On 3/03/2005 Breezy wrote:
>that shot has put me off food for a week .......
>seedy, scary and ugly ..........
>and some fishnet just visible to top it all off.
>>
>>

Yes he/she/etc is certainly not the regular garden variety. Apparently it pulls pretty hard on the rock because it only weighs 52 kilograms


Bourge

3/03/2005
9:58:02 AM

Blue Mountains @ Easter

On 3/03/2005 Heidi wrote:
>A bunch of us hex-jangling victorians are going up to the blueys for a
>week or so over easter for some bolt-clipping action.....

Awesome! the road trip dream is still very much alive and well. Is Kent going too?


Bourge

3/03/2005
10:03:38 AM

On 28/02/2005 HEX wrote:
>Your thoughts-to-articulation are as good as ya photos and stimulate my
>own brain-waves like an exciting hover-craft-ride across the top of Damo/Bourge's
>sea of mediocrity ...
>---------------------------

Ha! That's Bourge (pronounced Borj or Booj) to you! Yes it is early days. BUt don't be cranky the Bourge is not trying to steal the thunder from your excellent, historical thread, merely drawing inspiration and adding a complement, an alternative view on some things, some news and a conduit of some climbing information.

"Greggggg the stop sign!
Greeeg the stop sign!"

B (and TISM)


Bourge

3/03/2005
10:07:31 AM

Insert tranquil moment to break up the monotony.

Everyone take a deep breath,soak up the moment, and relaxx.

That's better, we'll all get to the summit in our own time, Hex is there waiting for us


Edward Oslabofvic

3/03/2005
10:15:19 AM

On 3/03/2005 Bourge wrote:
>
>Ha! That's Bourge (pronounced Borj) to you!

That where your wrong Bourge, your name is actually an abbreviation of bourgeois. How else do you explain the availability of hours to write so much crap.


Breezy

3/03/2005
10:18:33 AM

On 3/03/2005 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:
>On 3/03/2005 Bourge wrote:
>>
>>Ha! That's Bourge (pronounced Borj) to you!
>
>That where your wrong Bourge, your name is actually an abbreviation of
>bourgeois. How else do you explain the availability of hours to write so
>much crap.

LOL


Bourge

3/03/2005
10:33:02 AM

>On 3/03/2005 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:
>your name is actually an abbreviation of bourgeois.

Yes, correct, you remember from high school European history.

Indeed, many hours there are in the day, much work to do, much to write about.

Bourjwazzeeeeeeeeee

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