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Big brother evictions

Bourge
31-Aug-2004
2:37:58 PM
Ha! Hullo! Bonjour!

Fark! I notice that now we can get voted off Chockstone Big Brother Style. Fark! or should I say le Farque!
dalai
31-Aug-2004
2:42:16 PM
and I think I know who will be the first to be evicted from the house... ;-)

Bourge
31-Aug-2004
2:49:58 PM
Shiiizzer, go easy kids, I'm sorry, I'm not such a bad guy, it wasn't me, it was some other guy, I didn't mean it, pleeeaase!!

Mike
31-Aug-2004
3:03:28 PM
The signal to noise ratio seemed to be suffering over the last few months so I decided some feedback would be handy with respect to moderation.

As some of you may have noticed there is now a little "thumbs down" function beside usernames. Use this to either hide messages by that user, or record your wish to have them removed from the forum should you feel strongly enough that their behaviour or messages are inappropriate.

I know I'm getting a little tired of wading through off topic nonsense remarks and personal grudges in otherwise useful threads. For me it just takes up too much time. For others some content might be offensive. For others still, it might be quite entertaining and valuable. So pending your feedback, I'm happy to disable accounts where sufficient (read "landslide") objections are made.

I'll still continue to delete individual posts that step over the mark (see help) as I find them, but I don't really have the time to monitor every new post, let alone retro-edited ones. So I'm hoping this new function will make the forum almost self regulatory. Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

Bourge
31-Aug-2004
3:12:25 PM
Is there a function or facility to be alerted to when you have a vote cast against you?

Mike
31-Aug-2004
3:44:38 PM
On 31/08/2004 bourge de menteur wrote:
>Is there a function or facility to be alerted to when you have a vote cast
>against you?

Hit the "Profile" button to edit your user profile. At the base I've shown the number of votes cast against you. Just the number. Who casts a vote will not be displayed anywhere. Also only you can edit your own profile, so no one else will know this number. Each member can only vote once.

It's not my intent to turn this into a tribal council or game show. I just need some feedback and help with the moderation task.
deadpoint
31-Aug-2004
4:57:13 PM
What happens if 'Bourge De Menteur' plays the game and Mike gets the axe, no more c--kstone....

HEX
31-Aug-2004
6:23:15 PM
' c--kstone ' ?! --- " Deadpoint --------------------------YOU'RE FIRED !!! "

adski
31-Aug-2004
7:56:01 PM
HEX, you're hilarious. and on-topic!!

Good move with the ratings Mike, even if they do nothing other than flash a 'vote' icon next to posts for a week, they'll get people thinking. Obviously bourge is self-aware, he's already started begging.

PS are you thinking of an IP ban or a username ban?
(removed)
1-Sep-2004
11:37:41 AM
On 31/08/2004 adski wrote:
>PS are you thinking of an IP ban or a username ban?

A username/email address ban won't stop anyone. Already, the trollers just register a new email address to keep their anonymity. Takes less than 2 minutes to get a new email address and register on chockstone.

An I.P. ban would be virtually impossible to implement given (i) it would unfairly ban dalai if (say) you voted me off the island, and (ii) wouldn't stop anyone with a roaming I.P.

Sadly this forum has gone downhill significantly to the point where it's rarely about actual climbing matters. I'm sick of wading through piles of crap types in capital letters what is this, a Nigerian money scam ?) in order to find a couple of posts worth reading. The demise began with Hex and Oink a year or so ago. I'm not about to vote anyone off because I couldn't care less anymore and it's probably useless. What a sad end to a great forum.

Oh, and Mike, remove the ability to edit messages. We could always type a correction later if there's something wrong, but changing what was written and read and responded to is plain wrong.

(I could just be bitter because Nick Kaz took my avatar ...)

Damietta
1-Sep-2004
11:59:50 AM
On 1/09/2004 FatBoy wrote:
>On 31/08/2004 adski wrote:
>
>Sadly this forum has gone downhill significantly to the point where it's
>rarely about actual climbing matters. I'm sick of wading through piles
>of crap types in capital letters what is this, a Nigerian money scam ?)
>in order to find a couple of posts worth reading. The demise began with
>Hex and Oink a year or so ago. I'm not about to vote anyone off because
>I couldn't care less anymore and it's probably useless. What a sad end
>to a great forum.


Mike is it possible to run an anonymous poll that goes in some way to working out whether people appreciate general banter in the general discussion or just strictly factual climbing info (like fatboy above)?

Perhaps a new forum header for climbing discussion versus the current general discussion could be put in place. That is if the voting facility does not achieve the same filtering outcome.

I would have to debate the comment about 'a sad end to a great forum' - based on the number of people logging on each day? I don't know for sure but it would appear to be going well.

HEX
1-Sep-2004
12:05:00 PM
On 1/09/2004 FatBoy wrote:

>(I could just be bitter because Nick Kaz took my avatar ...)

Naughty,naughty ,Fatboy --- that was a retro-edit...


Fatboy profile : 'This was me back when I was allowed to climb.Before my wife made me stop. Before I became all bitter and nasty.Before I got fat.' --- I like your sensahuma, bro...

HEX
1-Sep-2004
12:17:27 PM
On 1/09/2004 Damietta wrote:

>I would have to debate the comment about 'a sad end to a great forum'

Just as the buffalo gives it's back a good shake when the mud builds-up too much, I think you will find that the arrival of SPRING 2004 will usher-in & herald a fresh,new epoch, for Chockstone --- Qurank had a similar build-up/crisis/resolution about 2 months ago...

Richard
1-Sep-2004
1:02:17 PM
>Sadly this forum has gone downhill significantly to the point where it's
>rarely about actual climbing matters.... What a sad end
>to a great forum.

Maybe there are a lot of injokes in the forum, but I haven't noticed any great slide..

There have been some great posts recently ..like adski's trip report, and "how to ask someone on a climbing date" - very funny

Bourge
1-Sep-2004
1:17:05 PM
On 1/09/2004 FatBoy wrote:
>
>Sadly this forum has gone downhill significantly to the point where it's
>rarely about actual climbing matters. I'm sick of wading through piles
>of crap types in capital letters what is this, a Nigerian money scam ?)
>in order to find a couple of posts worth reading. The demise began with
>Hex and Oink a year or so ago. I'm not about to vote anyone off because
>I couldn't care less anymore and it's probably useless. What a sad end
>to a great forum.

Ewe farken snivelling, complaining, grump old bastard. Here is a forum zat vill suite you better http://www.sss.org/

"It's fun for lonely people"

Out. Score 1-0. You outta here. Strike-out.

Farken fark orf baxtaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FatBoy: for one point this week I'd like to nominate Bourge
Big Brother: Whay is that?
Fatboy: cause he's an annoying little c#@#
Big Brother: did you tell him about it?
Fatboy: Yes, he never cleans up and, leaves the bathrrom in a f###%n mess and and snores really badly, plus he smells
Big Brother: Thanks Fat Boy

Nick Kaz
1-Sep-2004
2:42:54 PM
On 1/09/2004 FatBoy wrote:
>(I could just be bitter because Nick Kaz took my avatar ...)

Settle pettle, its all better now, no need to sulk.Back in my day we took avitar theft seriously, and the result was a thumb war! Of course that ment walking through 15miles of wind an snow..... ;)

Hey mike can we get a thumbs up too? just to balance the chi :)

Removing the ability to edit would just plain suck, I would have even more spelling mistakes, unless there is a preview button which would remove the need for an edit button, it would certainly make people think more before they posted.
joemor
1-Sep-2004
2:47:25 PM
why is there no ignore all button?

adski
1-Sep-2004
6:02:12 PM
>A username/email address ban won't stop anyone. Already, the trollers
>just register a new email address to keep their anonymity. Takes less
>than 2 minutes to get a new email address and register on chockstone.
>
>An I.P. ban would be virtually impossible to implement given (i) it would
>unfairly ban dalai if (say) you voted me off the island, and (ii) wouldn't
>stop anyone with a roaming I.P.

Yep there's problems with both, no doubt. I've been caught in the past by hackers with a dynamic IP address in a web poll I've developed, some people can be so creative in their deviance. If only we had Australia Cards or Social Security Numbers, they could be used...

FatBoy, you have a good point about an IP ban locking out more than one user if they use the same computer, etc. I don't know what the answer is.

Mike if you're interested in the subject I'd suggest getting a hold of "design for community" by derek powazek and looking at ch 6: Moderation, Karma + Flame Bait as well as ch 8: Barriers to entry.

oh, and i don't think this forum is going downhill at all, it's charging

IdratherbeclimbingM9
2-Sep-2004
10:30:08 PM
On 31/08/2004 Mike wrote:
>The signal to noise ratio seemed to be suffering over the last few months
>so I decided some feedback would be handy with respect to moderation.

Ever since the Forum started I have noticed many contributors threads get 'hijacked' along the way. I found this annoying at first, but have now become used to it, and liken it to the ebb and flow of a campfire discussion.
We are a multifaceted and diverse group of contributors. IMO 'friction' is no loss of energy, and I for one have found the whole experience enlightning.
I would go so far as to say that without the likes of 'trolls' etc to balance out the dour/serious types like myself, then the forum would be quite boring to many !!

>As some of you may have noticed there is now a little "thumbs down" function
>beside usernames. Use this to either hide messages by that user, or record
>your wish to have them removed from the forum should you feel strongly
>enough that their behaviour or messages are inappropriate.

Although I hear your request for feedback vide this mechanism, may I respectfully suggest that you may be on the wrong track?
The solution is rather simple IMO. If an individual reads enough messages they get a flavour for identifying contributors who they may disagree with. At that point they are free to simply not read any further posts from that contributor if they feel so strongly about it !

If you want to go with the thumbs down system, may I suggest that for democracies sake you also have a thumbs up system to balance it out? In fact the whole concept of either system is sad because it assumes an overall negative aspect about the General Discussion Forum when things could be positive instead; especially if you were to interupt the thread with a prompt that it will be locked if it continues in a vein that is inappropriate.

>I know I'm getting a little tired of wading through off topic nonsense
>remarks and personal grudges in otherwise useful threads. For me it just
>takes up too much time. For others some content might be offensive. For
>others still, it might be quite entertaining and valuable. So pending your
>feedback, I'm happy to disable accounts where sufficient (read "landslide")
>objections are made.

Off topic nonsense can certainly slow up progress on any given thread, but developing the art of skim reading, and returning to ponder certain posts is a habit I have found useful.

>I'll still continue to delete individual posts that step over the mark
>(see help) as I find them,
>but I don't really have the time to monitor every new post, let alone retro-edited
>ones. So I'm hoping this new function will make the forum almost self regulatory.
>Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

I think that you have been doing an excellent job to date. (In fact I am surprised at your tolerance sometimes).
The Forum is obviously growing, so trying to 'keep up with' the posts was (always?), going to become a problem sooner or later. Perhaps its time to delegate to other trusted persons (one of the ladies perhaps??), some of the workload associated with moderating it?
PS I know precious little about computers, so this last suggestion of sharing the workload (capability) could be pure conjecture??

Mike
3-Sep-2004
11:01:11 AM
On 2/09/2004 A5iswhereitsat wrote:
>now become used to it, and liken it to the ebb and flow of a campfire discussion.

I agree to a certain extent, though even around campfire no one appreciates the drunken motorbiker tearing laps of the pines at 1am.

>At that point they are free to simply not read any further posts from that
>contributor if they feel so strongly about it !

Most forums have a killfile or blocking function so that users being abused can simply ignore posts by certain members, so I think I'll leave the "ignore posts" ability in place. It's already being used by a few users.

The voting idea has no precedent on other forums of which I am aware, but seemed like a good idea. So far, however, there has been no "landslide" voting towards any one user (though we are getting close), so perhaps you are correct and it is unnecessary. Let's leave it in place for a month or so, and if it proves a useless concept I can always remove it.

I thought about a "thumbs up" to balance it, but I think we need a better reason for it than it simply vote someone as being cool. Over on RC.com they have "thumbs down" to block the user (as we now have), and "thumbs up" to add the user to a "list of friends". We could also have a "list of friends" and when you logon the forum could, for example, give you quick links to recents posts by your friends and tell you when they last logged on. Do you think that would be useful? Then if I ever act upon the remove votes I could also take into account number of friends.

>...locked if it continues in a vein that is inappropriate.

I think locking a thread is vital if inviduals are being abused. This forum is not the place for it. I'm not expecting a PG rating, but I think we can draw the line at XXX.

>Off topic nonsense can certainly slow up progress on any given thread,
>but developing the art of skim reading, and returning to ponder certain
>posts is a habit I have found useful.

I guess I have less time to be skiming with. But the votes so far would seem to support your theory, so it must just be me. :-)

>...delegate to other trusted persons...
>the workload associated with moderating it?

Well I gave Neil admin rights and left the job to him this year, but he's off overseas now, so if you're offering?

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