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ima.seriousyoungliza
10-Jun-2019
5:51:08 PM
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http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/arts/why-australias-aboriginal-rock-art-will-disappear
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IdratherbeclimbingM9
24-Jun-2019
8:58:32 AM
Eh Ima, front page of Chocky lists it being Kim Carrigan’s birthday today ... allegedly 60th, but could be a hoax as the ‘user-id’ only made 1 post back in 2004 on the havachatwithhexy thread and it looks like Hex was posting it to himself...
Just saying, tweeting!
Heh, heh, heh.
;-)

E. Wells
24-Jun-2019
9:47:14 AM
I am going up Stonewall Jackson tommorow and will be thinking of the old fart. Its gonna be a peice of cake cos I can climb heaps harder grades.
ima.seriousyoungliza
25-Jun-2019
1:11:49 PM
...pretty sure its i before e cept after c...

E. Wells
25-Jun-2019
1:23:50 PM
True dat. Just accidentally did the crux pitch. Its a lovely day. Im looking at a big v shape peace of metal with lots of holes in it. What is them called??
ima.seriousyoungliza
25-Jun-2019
1:52:52 PM
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http://www.3wm.com.au/articles/climbers-unite/

>>>“While we’re pushing, we need to be respectful.”
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IdratherbeclimbingM9
25-Jun-2019
8:07:10 PM
On 25-Jun-2019 ima.seriousyoungliza wrote:
>.
>http://www.3wm.com.au/articles/climbers-unite/
>
>>>>“While we’re pushing, we need to be respectful.”
>.

& on similar flavour, kady wrote on Chockstone Photo Gallery:
>the traditional owners (who) are about to do an assessment at the mount.

... so the errant climbers chooks are coming home to roost as I doubt the N(anti)BFaeries or even ODH's DangerouserCliffs mob can rectify the situation in required time-frame now.
:~(
BA
26-Jun-2019
8:26:26 AM
On 25-Jun-2019 ima.seriousyoungliza wrote:
>...pretty sure its i before e cept after c...

Unless your are one of eight weird scientists ...
gfdonc
Online Now
26-Jun-2019
10:42:13 AM
On 25-Jun-2019 E. Wells wrote:
>True dat. Just accidentally did the crux pitch.

Photos or it didn't happen.

E. Wells
26-Jun-2019
2:26:07 PM
P.m me your ph and I will text you a photo , but the most photogenic is my freiend leading traverse under roophs.

E. Wells
27-Jun-2019
6:54:16 PM
Ulysses direct into Ulysses today. Keith Bell and Ray Lasman are (still) waaaay more legendary than K.C !!
ima.seriousyoungliza
28-Jun-2019
11:01:34 AM
>>>Hopefully the current situation will be forgotten about in a few years so come to the Grampians then...

Jamesmc for quote of the year...
ima.seriousyoungliza
28-Jun-2019
7:42:34 PM
'...The accusations levelled by Parks Victoria against climbers are mostly bunk, but they do contain some uncomfortable truths..'
@ MAY 2019
http://zenandtheartofclimbing.com/elephant-room-grampians-ban/

'...The government’s position on this motion before us today is to oppose the motion.
..In particular, this motion questions the evidence that points to the
impact of this sport and questions the approach of Parks Victoria
in dealing with significant challenges to this area of special importance culturally and environmentally..In short, this government’s priority is protecting the natural and cultural values of the Grampians National Park..'
@ JUNE 2019
http://www.gayletierney.com.au/public-land-management/

...also...google... .................:Sovereign Union - FIRST NATIONS CULTURE VS ROCK CLIMBERS

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http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=1&MessageID=134149

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf-jHCdafZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_DHwp5vYBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKpcr8csZ3w

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/we-were-the-first-how-no-fixed-address-made-white-australia-listen-20170113-gtqqym.html
'...You can't change the rhythm of my soul...'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI2CxvqtII






ima.seriousyoungliza
1-Jul-2019
6:33:23 PM
On 25-Jun-2019 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:

>& on similar flavour, kady wrote on Chockstone Photo Gallery:
>>the traditional owners (who) are about to do an assessment at the mount.
http://www.chockstone.org/Gallery/Picture.asp?PictureID=315

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/hang-on-they-want-to-ban-a-worldfamous-climb-in-the-grampians/news-story/3871cfdc1b25d5b645003dbb484c6ad2

...copied and pasted before it became subscriber access...

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29 JUNE 2019
An indigenous heritage crackdown threatens to devastate rock climbing in the sport’s heartland.

For decades Mount Arapiles, in western Victoria, has been the focus of traditional climbing in Australia, with its thousands of routes above the Wimmera plains attracting a global following.

But indigenous groups will soon begin a heritage survey of the area, which will almost certainly show a strong historical connection that could trigger restrictions on climbing.
The survey will follow Parks Victoria imposing cultural heritage bans across large areas of the nearby Grampians National Park, closing an estimated 500sq km to climbing,
leading to chaos in the industry and undermining adventure tourism.

Barengi Gadjin Land Council chief Michael Stewart said it would be up to the trad­itional owners to determine what to do if it was established that climbing occurred in culturally sensitive areas.

“If the particular activity is running­ at that site, the Aboriginal Heritage Act is pretty prescriptive about what can and can’t happen at a site,’’ Mr Stewart said.

“And if an activity is harming a site, then anyone undertaking that activity and anyone that allows that activity is generally seen to be in breach of the act.’’

Climbers at the Grampians have been told that penalties of up to $1.6 million can apply to groups that fail to protect indig­enous heritage, such as rock art.
The legislation also appears to leave open the prospect of multiple­ penalties for multiple offences. Climbers believe Parks Victoria’s potential exposure to the fines is driving the Gramp­ians bans.

A row has also broken out over the decision to close Uluru to walkers from October 26 because­ of cultural sensitivies and the spiritual significance of the rock to the Anangu people.

Mr Stewart said the Mount Arapiles survey had been sparked by the Grampians bans and would help make informed management decisions.
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http://www.bglc.com.au/
http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/your-rights/native-title/proposed-recognition-and-settlement-agreement-with-the-wotjobaluk-jaadwa

'...The 2005 native title settlement included an Indigenous Land Use Agreement recognising
close ties to traditional lands and agreements to transfer culturally significant
land parcels, licensing arrangements for hunting, fishing and gathering,
a consultation process for Crown land use, and a Cooperative
Management Agreement over areas including parts of the
Little Desert and Wyperfield National Parks and Mount Arapiles-Tooan State Park...'
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-29/uluru-climb-ban-tourists-flock-man-cardiac-arrest-rescue/11159520

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNxFGW09Mo
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Duang Daunk
4-Jul-2019
12:20:10 PM
Eh ima bro, what has your research turned up on Ab-original routes in the Gramps and other places?

Your data might give bro simey et al a shock as they will have to re-write the ‘books’...
ima.seriousyoungliza
6-Jul-2019
2:26:51 PM
>>> Ab-original routes in the Gramps and other places?

.on 29 March 2016 ima wrote :

>>>fair dinkum technical rock climbing starts around 12-16 ...ima
>>> sure aboriginals ...eerrrrr....indigenous people were climbing in
>>> that range for 40000 years anyway ....getting eggs out of nests on cliff faces etc ...
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>>>the Mount Arapiles survey had been sparked by the Grampians bans...

http://www.facebook.com/barengi.council/

A step in the wrong direction. This will only serve to divide us.
If we use the past horrors of colonialism as justification to fracture
our current societies we only make this injustice eternal and
suffer its everlasting impact moving forward. What will happen
to us from here? This is not the way.
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i’m sorry but what do you mean by this? How is the Land
Council using its powers under the Heritage Act to make
decisions in relation to cultural heritage management using
the past horrors of colonialism to justify fracturing current societies?
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In a broader sense. Many places are now becoming
non-accessible to the wider community - this creates
divi sion. This is not an isolated case. Colonialism/colonization
is often used to justify this, that is how it continues
to divide us. See this article as an example
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/legal-fight-for-beaches-in-high-court/11245540
if bans go through at Arapiles, the impact on the
community of Natimuk will be devastating.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/everyone-left-hanging-over-grampians-national-park-climbing-ban/news-story/62bc2cc639f9b8a27ab397d63b1392c0

This desire to ensure Victoria becomes the first state to
enter into a treaty
has led, in part, to the government effectively
blowing up the reputation of a climbing community that insists it
overwhelmingly does the right thing in the national park or would
do the right thing if educated properly.

Treaty precur sor

Central to the lead-up to any formal ratification of a treaty
is the government’s legislative and policy agenda that seeks
to give much greater rights over cultural heritage to first owners
particularly in the cont ext of state-owned land such as national
and state parks.


Other states, such as NSW, have gone down the path of
co-managing parks with traditional owners but Victoria, despite
having a relatively low indigenous population, is leading the
national reconciliation charge. The policy of greater engagemen
and indigenous control and access has implications across the
state, depending on the aggressiveness and determination of
traditional owners in other areas who have been handed
sweeping control over cultural heritage
.

In 2014, the northern end of the Grampians was subject to intense fires...The fire
scorched vegetation, leaving behind sand and black twigs but also
exposing even more Aboriginal artefacts, including quarries and, as
much as experts can tell, probably rock art that had been hidden in
the bush....indigenous leaders try to keep secret the locations
of many of the sites to protect them from damage and preserve the sanctity of the location
.

Uncle Ron Marks, a Wotjobaluk elder with a long history with the
Grampians and Mount Arapiles, says a common ground can be
reached between indigenous leaders and climbers. Most climbers,
he says, know how to behave.

“But then there are the dills that don’t give a rat’s clacker
. And
that’s like everywhere,’’ he told The Weekend Australian last week.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-08/treaty-what-is-it-and-why-victoria-working-on/8779050

http://w.www.vic.gov.au/aboriginalvictoria/treaty/australia%E2%80%99s-first-ever-treaty-legislation-is-set-to-become-law.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPYHVFvMiNY

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NOW TAKE A DEEP BREATH

'...Kropinyeri, a Ngarrindjeri man from South Australia, also uses his
performances to raise political issues....He jokes about "Aboriginal issues"
like alcoholism and high incarceration rates, but this self-styled
mockery quickly turns into social critique....His joking clearly points to
the underlying hypocrisies of non-Indigenous socio-political system
that have created such dysfunction in the first place...Mickey-taking is
a great Australian humour tradition
; and self-deprecation allows Indigenous
comedians to raise issues that could strike raw nerves with non-Indigenous audiences.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-29/deadly-funny-the-aboriginal-comedians-cracking-up-australia/8396586

'...Saunders gets a kick out of seeing the dilemma on peoples' faces as they decide whether it is appropriate or not to laugh at his set...
...he feels that it's important for him to have the courage to say contentious things in his routines...'
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Saunders as ' Frankie Jackson' ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbkvoj6SC0w

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.AND THEN THERE'S...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdghVSXD9BA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67JB7kPVWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-IPcVaif3Q


Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Arapiles

'...The Djurid Balud Aboriginal clan inhabited the nearby area for thousands
of years prior to the European colonisation of Australia. They used the
mountain's hard sandstone for making various stone tools, and found
shelter in its many gullies and small caves. Following European settlement
in the mid-1840s, the Djurid Balud were displaced from the area, leading
to the breaking up of the clan. The loss of the resources that the mountain
provided, the ravages of European disease, and armed clashes with the
settlers were all contributing factors. By the early 1870s, the last of the
Djurid Balud had been relocated to mission stations. Some of their descendants
still live in the area and there are also a number of archaeological sites
nearby. Indeed, a survey of Mount Arapiles in 1992 located no fewer
than 42 Aboriginal archaeological sites, including "quarries" for hard stone
for implements, scarred trees and rock art sites
....'
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http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/your-rights/native-title/proposed-recognition-and-settlement-agreement-with-the-wotjobaluk-jaadwa

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...traditional owners are now in a very rational/legal/ljurisdictional position to action the findings of 1992..

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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ima.seriousyoungliza
19-Jul-2019
11:38:14 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

http://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gabrielsanchez/moon-landing-anniversary-pictures

...classic from the Carrigan Years...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwMdZOlPo8

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ima.seriousyoungliza
12-Aug-2019
4:07:57 PM
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...no posts between 19 july and 30 july...extraordinary...a record for chocky ...maybe...everyone holding their breath in relation to arapiles ...maybe...

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IdratherbeclimbingM9
12-Aug-2019
5:37:05 PM
On 12-Aug-2019 ima.seriousyoungliza wrote:
>...no posts between 19 july and 30 july...extraordinary...a record for
>chocky ...maybe...everyone holding their breath in relation to arapiles
>...maybe...
>
Yep, obviously not enough KC action happening here to keep things going ;-)
... but don’t worry because Gerry is on the case with his guest speaker!

http://climbtasmania.com.au/blogs/news/adventures-at-the-edge-of-the-world-sample-chapter

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