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If you bolt it, they will come & sh*t all over it
Cranky Quoll
11-May-2015
9:07:12 PM
I had the dubious pleasure of picking up rubbish at Centennial Glen at Cragcare last Saturday. I and another volunteer picked up kilos of garbage and nearly all of it consisted of toilet paper stuck to sh*t. It's unsightly, unhygienic, bad for the environment and a great way to spread Giardia into our waterways and animal populations. I know of one climber who has trodden on human sh*t walking down from Upper Shipley to the rap anchors for Lower Shipley.

It's not hard to either bury your sh*t or carry it out. Dig a hole 15cm deep – if you don't have a trowel, use a stick. If you carry out, use a couple of bags or buy commercially available Wagbags or Restop bags. If you are incapable of burying your shi*t or carrying it out, stay home!

To all those climbing at the Glen on Saturday, you are very lucky I didn't empty my bag of excrement all over your climbing gear and ropes. It was very, very tempting.
patto
11-May-2015
11:08:35 PM
Are trad climbers more toilet trained?

E. Wells
11-May-2015
11:12:18 PM
Yes
OodlesDownHere
12-May-2015
5:56:23 AM
Do these scumbags forget to shit at home before leaving?
Maybe random searches of packs for toilet paper are needed?
bentobox
12-May-2015
12:07:54 PM
They're like dogs. Get them in a headlock and rub their noses in it while saying mean things.

They'll have perfect bowel control in no time.
Wendy
12-May-2015
12:42:53 PM
On 11/05/2015 patto wrote:
>Are trad climbers more toilet trained?

My observations at Arapiles don't suggest so. Maybe it just is particularly obvious at sport crags with high population vs available space. There's not a lot of places to go away from the cliff at Centenial Glen. Plenty of poo and paper at the Mt, it's just more spread out.
gfdonc
12-May-2015
1:21:33 PM
It's just simple mathematics.
The number of climbers shitting themselves while gearing up below Rubber Lover (25) is just over 3x the number shitting themselves while gearing up below Arachnus (8).
BBSR
12-May-2015
1:41:34 PM
Thanks for your efforts C. Quoll

On Sunday after cragcare, we visited Dam Cliffs. Also full of poor toileting.

Not something I want at crags I visit, and not a good look that we present to others. This is a serious issue, we need to address as a community.

ajfclark
12-May-2015
2:46:12 PM
I don't understand how this happens. I don't remember the last time I needed to take a shit at the crag.

Drink coffee, strong. If the coffee gnome doesn't arrive, have another coffee. Repeat up to four times. Then use the facilities at camp. You are now ready to go climbing. If you can drink 4 strong coffees and not poop, I suggest increasing the amount of fibre in your diet.
Karl Bromelow
12-May-2015
2:53:36 PM
On 12/05/2015 Wendy wrote:
>My observations at Arapiles don't suggest so. Maybe it just is particularly
>obvious at sport crags with high population vs available space. There's
>not a lot of places to go away from the cliff at Centenial Glen. Plenty
>of poo and paper at the Mt, it's just more spread out.

Haven't we been here before? 2012 Messr Monteith was proclaiming it a dirty European habit. I got a bit irate about it, as is my usual way. I don't remember anyone agreeing that it was a problem in Australia too. Or has the popularity of shitting around crags experienced the same kind of lag that fashion and economic slumps do down here? At least Wendy's admission that there's poop all over Arapiles has prevented me from suggesting that New South Welsh people have worse toilet manners than cats, hey Neil?

ajfclark
12-May-2015
2:56:00 PM
I've seen a fair bit of poop at Arapiles. The "best" placement was a rock right at the base of Strife On The Gravy Train. I might have a picture of that one around somewhere...

I've seen white and brown flags hanging in the branches of the bushes below Viagra in Organ Pipes Gully.

Wet wipes with poo stains on walk around teh base of Bushrangers to the sunny side.

etc.

nmonteith
12-May-2015
3:14:25 PM
Shipley/Centennial Glen really needs a public toilet in the carpark. With 30+ cars there every weekend and minimal places to crap its a disaster of shitty proportions. Having to crap in the bush should be a last resort, not standard practice. Europe still shits all over Australia BTW. I spent a couple of weeks at Margalef over Xmas and the shit situation was out of control. Great heaving piles on every walking track around camp. You literally could not climb at the nearest crags to camp as there was shit at the base of every climb
lacto
12-May-2015
4:42:11 PM
sounds to me like a need to find the right kind of dung beetle to release as they will clear it up fairly quickly . still it shouldn't be there in the first place . I know that there are species available in Australia that will clear up human waste

flabmaster b
12-May-2015
6:02:47 PM
dung beetles are amazing. They clean up my horses' crap amazingly and break it down into beautiful organic matter.

I was always taught that the smearing of crap rather than bearing technique was much more conducive to helping decompose it, maybe this is just for alpine areas though?

nmonteith
12-May-2015
7:06:43 PM
A few points now that I am on a proper computer and can type...

The problem (at Shipley) is many fold...

With ever increasing numbers of climbers, you will get an ever increasing number of shitters. That is pretty obvious. It only takes 1 in 100 to leave a mess, bit if you have hundreds of climbers visiting every week it quickly adds up. Toilet paper and crap take months to rot.

Surely the council should consider building a public toilet? With hundreds of Blue Mountains rate payers climbing at that crag, and thousands more visiting the area and spending money in local shops it must be financially viable. Can I be ever so bold as to make the point that recent Cliffcare stone masonry work, flashy signs and helicopter drop-offs of equipment be money that could have been used towards a public toilet? A simple portaloo would reduce shitting at the crag considerably. I get a sense that there is a bit of a NIMBY thing happening with the people who live on that street not wanting a toilet.

Another thing is education. I actually think it has got to the stage that 'shitting in the bush' - even after digging a deep hole and burying it, should be discouraged. In fact frowned upon. If you see people wandering off to crap then maybe let them know that it is non sustainable at an area like Shipley. Chances are you will dig up a previous turd.

Lastly - the 'European issue' - honestly it is a problem. I've had many conversations all around the world with Europeans who just don't get the Australian dig and bury method. In fact I was reading a section about toilets in a recent Spainish climbing guide where it stated you should leave the poo out in the open so it would rot faster. It made a point that burying is a bad idea?!
rowan
12-May-2015
8:08:28 PM
I don't think people would be bothered going to the car park to poo. I think the toilet would be a waste of money up there.

To stop people you would need a toilet under madge mcdonald
martym
12-May-2015
11:34:30 PM
On 12/05/2015 ajfclark wrote:
>I don't understand how this happens. I don't remember the last time I
>needed to take a shit at the crag.
>
>Drink coffee, strong. If the coffee gnome doesn't arrive, have another
>coffee. Repeat up to four times. Then use the facilities at camp. You
>are now ready to go climbing. If you can drink 4 strong coffees and not
>poop, I suggest increasing the amount of fibre in your diet.

In my experience, hiking with a big heavy pack on works better at helping your body process dinner.

I second the suggestion for a portaloo - that would at least reduce the percentage and it would make more sense than a permanent instalment as it would only have to be there on weekends.

I think there are some people out there who are truly horrified at having to poo outdoors and run away leaving streamers of toilet paper in their wake.

It is actually true that poo left in the open will get washed away and rot faster - HOWEVER the disease spread that that would create far outweighs this.
Bury your poo AND toilet paper, do it well away from tracks and waterways, cover it with some sticks and stones so that others don't step into your squelchy pothole.
widewetandslippery
13-May-2015
9:04:25 AM
On 12/05/2015 rowan wrote:
>I don't think people would be bothered going to the car park to poo. I
>think the toilet would be a waste of money up there.
>
>To stop people you would need a toilet under madge mcdonald

I disagree.

Peer pressure would have people walking back at least from the Glen and Shitley which are the two spot that are user shared.

Blackheath makes $ out of tourists including climbers. I think the hardest part about building a toilet at the end of the road would be residents.
martym
13-May-2015
1:37:02 PM
On 13/05/2015 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Blackheath makes $ out of tourists including climbers. I think the hardest
>part about building a toilet at the end of the road would be residents.

I was chatting to a guy from Eurobodalla council who was trying to build a new toilet block at Long Beach - he said the residents hate him!

I wonder if they think that, if there's no toilet less people will come to the beach... ?
simey
13-May-2015
8:54:09 PM
On 12/05/2015 Wendy wrote:
>On 11/05/2015 patto wrote:
>>Are trad climbers more toilet trained?
>
>My observations at Arapiles don't suggest so. Maybe it just is particularly
>obvious at sport crags with high population vs available space. There's
>not a lot of places to go away from the cliff at Centenial Glen. Plenty
>of poo and paper at the Mt, it's just more spread out.

There is more shit spewing out of Wendy then you will find at the Mount. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. I have been out at Araps a lot over the last few months at a wide variety of its cliffs and I don't recall seeing any shit piles.

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