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Vic Parks Camping Fee Proposal
kieranl
29/10/2013
9:12:59 AM
If I seem to be putting down random stuff it's because I am. I'm just putting down what occurs to me to help form my thinking on what to put into a submission. So sometimes it's serious, others trivial.
chalkischeap
29/10/2013
9:44:34 AM
It's just good old fashioned bureaucracy. The poor little minions can't help it. Don't let them get you down. I emailed some feedback to the Dept of Environment but otherwise will take no notice.

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camping.RIS@depi.vic.gov.au

Victorian National Parks Camping and Accommodation Fees Regulatory Impact Statement

As a regular user of camp sites in the Grampians, I can assure you that this isn't going to work.

Your revenues will not meet the cost of collecting the fees so you will have to put up the price to $100 in an attempt to cover your outlay on payment systems. That will make you look silly.

If these fees are implemented, everyone in my regular group will ignore the official camp sites and camp in the bush. The ranger presence is minimal and there is plenty of space out there to get away from it all.

Your job is to look after the National Parks on behalf of the nation. Please concentrate your limited resources on park maintenance rather than trying to generate funds from visitors.
Wendy
29/10/2013
1:55:00 PM
On 29/10/2013 kieranl wrote:
"Assets associated with these facilities and services
>will be revitalised, rejuvenated and renewed and better facilities and
>services will be provided. Visitors will enjoy a better experience"
>
I get it now - it's like the grandiose plans they had to make money out of Arapiles a few years back. They hope to add hot showers and cushy facilities to Stapylton/Buadick etc, charge more for them and turn them into PV cash cows like Tidal River and Catani. They might need to put a swimming pool in as well.
kieranl
29/10/2013
2:13:52 PM
On 29/10/2013 Wendy wrote:
>>
>I get it now - it's like the grandiose plans they had to make money out
>of Arapiles a few years back. They hope to add hot showers and cushy facilities
>to Stapylton/Buadick etc, charge more for them and turn them into PV cash
>cows like Tidal River and Catani. They might need to put a swimming pool
>in as well.
No I think it's more like :

They hope to charge more for them and turn them into PV cash cows.
Derek10
29/10/2013
9:55:41 PM
I would suggest also writing to the Minister responsible, Ryan Smith: ryan.smith@parliament.vic.gov.au

JamesMc
30/10/2013
6:51:55 AM
Better to write to your local member. They are the ones concerned about loosing their seats. They will pass your letter on to Ryan to prove they are doing something.

JamesMc
kieranl
30/10/2013
8:45:26 AM
On 30/10/2013 JamesMc wrote:
>Better to write to your local member. They are the ones concerned about
>loosing their seats.
My local member isn't. Safest conservative seats in both federal and state politics.
pcb
30/10/2013
11:07:44 AM
On 29/10/2013 kieranl wrote:
>No I think it's more like :
>
>They hope to charge more for them and turn them into PV cash cows.

Or they hope to make commercial developments within National Parks more attractive for investors by to removing low cost accommodation options.
patto
30/10/2013
12:50:35 PM
That is what they have done throughout much of the US. Camp 4 only exists because of the protests of climbers.

So now what occurs is a host of accommodation on the outskirts of the national park simply due to the inflated costs imposed by the park service.
stingray4100
30/10/2013
1:06:45 PM
On 30/10/2013 pcb wrote:
>On 29/10/2013 kieranl wrote:
>>No I think it's more like :
>>
>>They hope to charge more for them and turn them into PV cash cows.
>
>Or they hope to make commercial developments within National Parks more
>attractive for investors by to removing low cost accommodation options.


The plan is coming together then....

http://www.theage.com.au/national/private-leases-plan-for-national-parks-20130529-2nc4a.html
james
30/10/2013
1:55:40 PM
that article is 6 months old & the gov't has changed since then....
kieranl
30/10/2013
2:00:34 PM
On 30/10/2013 james wrote:
>that article is 6 months old & the gov't has changed since then....
The federal government has changed but it is not the government in question.
The Napthine government was elected 3 years ago, is still in power, and it is the government responsible (if that's the right word) for the national and state parks in Vic.
james
31/10/2013
1:47:16 AM
oops sorry, I didn't read the article properly...
earwig
31/10/2013
12:17:42 PM
On page 2 of the RIS Exec Sumamry:

... the Government will also consider a camping pass for dispersed camping and some basic/very basic campgrounds. This will ensure users pay for the ongoing management of these areas, including the associated access tracks. Similarly, camping fees will be considered for forests and other areas of public land to ensure camping across all public land is sustainable. Just as for parks and reserves, managing camping areas in forests and other public land incurs significant costs to the state ...

So, it's not just national parks and not just campgrounds but eventually all camping in all areas.

rodw
31/10/2013
1:56:52 PM
And here I thought taxes we already paid helped cover the costs..sounds a bit like double dipping to me.
kieranl
31/10/2013
2:04:10 PM
They really believe in user-pays, unless you're looking for some cattle-grazing in a national park.

ajfclark
8/11/2013
7:28:25 AM
Odd that this is labelled a proposal and is open for comment... The Pines has an updated sign that says $5 a night, Catani has already gone up to about what they are proposing in this release... I wonder if other sites have already gone up too?
access t CliffCare
9/11/2013
1:29:11 PM
On 8/11/2013 ajfclark wrote:
>Odd that this is labelled a proposal and is open for comment... The Pines
>has an updated sign that says $5 a night, Catani has already gone up to
>about what they are proposing in this release... I wonder if other sites
>have already gone up too?

Now that the Arapiles 50 climbing forum and events celebrations have passed and my work schedule is easing back to normal, I will be posting some comments on this shortly. Most important thing to note though is that people - as in as many as possible - need to make submissions to it. If everyone complains but no-one makes submissions, it means nothing and it will surely go ahead.

The current price increase at various campgrounds is the usual annual CPI increase and not what they are talking about when they are talking about the camp fee increase proposal. The annual increases will occur as per usual. We just never noticed it at Araps because we were stuck in a bit of a lucky camp fee time warp. Also, the Araps campground, due to the changes that were implented a short time ago - differentiating it from other campgrounds - will not fall into the same category regarding site prices. It works on a per user basis now. If this changes in the future, then I would imagine, it would again fall into the same category. For now Arapiles is safe from the exorbitant price hike. The Grampians and other climbing focused parks are not however.
This price change needs to be challenged - strongly - if you don't want to see it implemented.

Cheers,
Tracey
Wendy
9/11/2013
5:36:40 PM
I put in a submission when it first came out and I haven't even got am acknowledgment from them.don't let that discourage anyone from writing one though. Or blockading a campground or some other form of entertaining protest.

ajfclark
9/11/2013
9:38:14 PM
On 9/11/2013 access t CliffCare wrote:
>The current price increase at various campgrounds is the usual annual CPI increase and not what they are talking about when they are talking about the camp fee increase proposal.

Sorry Tracey, that doesn't float at Lake Catani:

2011: $22.50
2012: $23.00
2013: $24.00
2014: $31.40

2012 was a 2% increase which is in the ballpark of CPI. 2013 was about 4% and again in the ballpark.

2014 is about a 31% increase. That's nowhere near CPI but it does make the price pretty well inline with their proposal.

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