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Arapiles Rehab at Squeeze Boulder
kieranl
9/07/2012
10:24:30 AM
Good to see some work being done to prevent further vehicle damage on the area around the squeeze boulder.
kieranl
17/04/2013
4:48:58 PM
I obviously don't go along the road below Tiger Wall very often. Compare the state of the reclamation work around the squeeze-test now with how it was in July last year (above).
Do people actually have any clue about what they're doing when they knock off the wood from here? I guess it won't be too long before someone shoves the roadside logs away so they can park next to the boulder again.
I truly despair sometimes.

Climboholic
17/04/2013
6:02:07 PM
What are they doing?

IdratherbeclimbingM9
17/04/2013
6:27:19 PM
On 17/04/2013 Climboholic wrote:
>What are they doing?

Making hammer handles for fireside singalongs?
;-)


Big G
17/04/2013
7:51:34 PM
Why not bury half the log vertically?
kieranl
17/04/2013
8:22:18 PM
On 17/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>Why not bury half the log vertically?
Why can't people just leave the bloody logs where they are? I feel a rant coming on.

Climboholic
17/04/2013
8:24:16 PM
Seriously. I get why the logs are blocking the cars, but why all the mess scattered around?
kieranl
17/04/2013
8:51:46 PM
There are some obvious reasons (well they seem obvious to me).
The first is to visually break up the bare area.
The second is to make it more difficult to park a car there. Quite a few logs would have to be moved before a car could be parked. That should make it clear to even the most moronic driver that the area is not for parking cars.
Third to provide some erosion protection. There are large erosion channels here.

Big G
17/04/2013
9:06:04 PM
On 17/04/2013 kieranl wrote:
>On 17/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>>Why not bury half the log vertically?
>Why can't people just leave the bloody logs where they are? I feel a rant
>coming on.

Because most people don't actually look around and think about their environment. But when you have to pull a log out of the ground the commitment involved makes them realise they are maybe doing something someone else doesn't want them to do.

Ps I'm in your side btw
climberman
17/04/2013
10:16:16 PM
On 17/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>On 17/04/2013 kieranl wrote:
>>On 17/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>>>Why not bury half the log vertically?
>>Why can't people just leave the bloody logs where they are? I feel a
>rant
>>coming on.
>
>Because most people don't actually look around and think about their environment.
>But when you have to pull a log out of the ground the commitment involved
>makes them realise they are maybe doing something someone else doesn't
>want them to do.
>
>Ps I'm in your side btw

lots of folks just don't know, or are stumbling around i the dark and looking for some timber. Hey, presto !

Pin the f---ers down with u-spikes. Use more bushy bush. Cover that area with logs and scrub and branches and shite. Use some tough love pruning from elsewhere on the Mount and make it so there can be no confusing it for a bunch of scattered logs.

nmonteith
17/04/2013
10:18:01 PM
A sign? I reckon they should just permanently gate that road. Carparks at either end and make everyone walk.
Paul
18/04/2013
11:13:52 AM
drill a hole through the log and stake them in the greound with star pickets

MisterGribble
18/04/2013
11:21:19 AM
Logs don't kill people, people kill people!

(Pathos from Gribble!)

The good Dr
18/04/2013
11:37:25 AM
Gums don't kill people ... Oh, they do sometimes ...
kieranl
18/04/2013
11:57:07 AM
On 17/04/2013 climberman wrote:
>On 17/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>>Because most people don't actually look around and think about their
>environment.
>>But when you have to pull a log out of the ground the commitment involved
>>makes them realise they are maybe doing something someone else doesn't
>>want them to do.
>>
>>Ps I'm in your side btw
>
>lots of folks just don't know, or are stumbling around i the dark and
>looking for some timber. Hey, presto !
>
>Pin the f---ers down with u-spikes. Use more bushy bush. Cover that area
>with logs and scrub and branches and shite. Use some tough love pruning
>from elsewhere on the Mount and make it so there can be no confusing it
>for a bunch of scattered logs.

It was actually pretty hard to mistake them for a bunch of random logs. When I first saw the work back in July I didn't have to think very hard at all to work out what was going on. It was actually a pretty good effort by Parks to discreetly work on an eyesore and it's pretty ironic that the solution climbers see is to use star pickets etc.
People say they don't like lots of signs and artificial barriers about the mount but it's pretty clear that a lot of people really just pay lip-service to looking after the place.
The slightest gap in a barrier seems to be an invitation to poke a car through, a rehabilitation work is a good source of firewood etc.
One Day Hero
18/04/2013
12:03:59 PM
Neil is right, just lock the gate. I don't understand the carpark comment though, there's already plenty of parking at the campground.
gfdonc
18/04/2013
12:28:00 PM
Okay, .. here we go.

Kieran, I understand your dismay that some timber placed by Parks has been removed without permission, but I'm not sure we're on the same page overall.

Dumping dry timber onto a patch of dirt within walking distance of fireplaces has had the predicted outcome AFAI see it. Expecting anything else to happen is, um, misguided if I want to put it politely.

Rehabilitating a patch of dirt that sees regular foot traffic and gets low rainfall is probably, um, going to end up with a patch of dirt. Rehabilitating it might involve planting something and nurturing it to get established, but I really can't see why that particular area deserves special treatment or is worth justifying the expense or effort.

That's not to say I don't support placing logs to restrict car access, although it's arguably just as valid to pull off the road there as in many other places.

It terms of gating the road, I note the two comments are from out-of-staters who have little at stake and perhaps haven't been to Arapiles for some time. For their information, that road has now been resurfaced to a similar standard as the road around the Pines and hence is in much better condition than it has been at any stage in the past 35-odd years that I've climbed there. Clearly there has been a financial and management commitment to maintaining road access.

For my part, I generally walk from camp to anything up to the Pharos, but respect the rights of others to drive their car along the road if they choose to.

regards to all
Steve
martym
18/04/2013
12:31:00 PM
On 18/04/2013 kieranl wrote:
>People say they don't like lots of signs and artificial barriers about
>the mount but it's pretty clear that a lot of people really just pay lip-service

Not all people of course. Some need to be banged over the head, which is why we live in a nanny state.
I guess planting some shrubs would just end up being destroyed/parked on?
Access T CliffCare
18/04/2013
12:50:40 PM
On 18/04/2013 gfdonc wrote:
>Okay, .. here we go.
>
>Kieran, I understand your dismay that some timber placed by Parks has
>been removed without permission, but I'm not sure we're on the same page
>overall.
>
>Dumping dry timber onto a patch of dirt within walking distance of fireplaces
>has had the predicted outcome AFAI see it. Expecting anything else to
>happen is, um, misguided if I want to put it politely.
>
>Rehabilitating a patch of dirt that sees regular foot traffic and gets
>low rainfall is probably, um, going to end up with a patch of dirt. Rehabilitating
>it might involve planting something and nurturing it to get established,
>but I really can't see why that particular area deserves special treatment
>or is worth justifying the expense or effort.
>
>That's not to say I don't support placing logs to restrict car access,
>although it's arguably just as valid to pull off the road there as in many
>other places.
>
>It terms of gating the road, I note the two comments are from out-of-staters
>who have little at stake and perhaps haven't been to Arapiles for some
>time. For their information, that road has now been resurfaced to a similar
>standard as the road around the Pines and hence is in much better condition
>than it has been at any stage in the past 35-odd years that I've climbed
>there. Clearly there has been a financial and management commitment to
>maintaining road access.
>
>For my part, I generally walk from camp to anything up to the Pharos,
>but respect the rights of others to drive their car along the road if they
>choose to.
>
>regards to all
>Steve
>
I really don't have the time at this moment to comment on this thread in any considered way but if I get the chance on the weekend, I will put down a few words and a few photos.
It is frustrating to no end for all of those who try to put in place some solutions to the same old problems. But in a way that might be more in keeping with the natural environment and what the park users would rather see than constructed barriers.

Won't even mention the fuel that this can add to the fire (pun intended) of no campfires all year round at Araps...

Cheers,
Tracey
kieranl
18/04/2013
1:02:25 PM
On 18/04/2013 gfdonc wrote:
>Okay, .. here we go.
>
>Kieran, I understand your dismay that some timber placed by Parks has
>been removed without permission, but I'm not sure we're on the same page
>overall.
>
>Dumping dry timber onto a patch of dirt within walking distance of fireplaces
>has had the predicted outcome AFAI see it. Expecting anything else to
>happen is, um, misguided if I want to put it politely.
>
That's something like saying that it's the Parks service fault for treating us as if we're not a bunch of thoughtless scumbags.

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