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Ethical Dilemma

One Day Hero

26-Jun-2012
2:17:04 PM

If you take the time to read the other responses, Tony, I think you'll find that you're just about the only one who considers this to be theft. If you'd like me to, I can try to explain how and why moving someone else's draw 2m sideways is different to theft.

In return, could I ask you to explain how the historical temperature data predicts an imminent decrease in global mean temperature? It's just that everyone with any credibility seems to arrive at the opposite conclusion, and I'd love to have a window into your thought process.

ta


Garrath

26-Jun-2012
2:56:31 PM

Tony has grounds if you examine the dictionary term for theft.

"In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it."

Yes they took the draw and you can bet the climber in question most certainly felt deprived.

I think borrowed is such a nicer word though.

One Day Hero

26-Jun-2012
3:20:34 PM

Moving someone else's property 2m to the side while leaving it in plain view is different to theft. I think it's safe to assume that the culprits were either so stupid that they could escape condemnation on the grounds that they didn't know any better, or they knew full well that they were taking liberties and were mischievous enough to want to do so.

This is no more a case of theft than picking up someone's rope from underneath a route and moving it out of the way so that you can belay without walking on it.

widewetandslippery

26-Jun-2012
4:00:18 PM

2 parties in dispute over routes of the highest quality;)

Reluctant

26-Jun-2012
4:04:18 PM

So it's ok of I move someone's car 2 suburbs to the left provided I don't keep it or mean to deprive them of it on a permanent basis.

One Day Hero

26-Jun-2012
4:10:57 PM

On 26/06/2012 Reluctant wrote:
>So it's ok of I move someone's car 2 suburbs to the left provided I don't
>keep it or mean to deprive them of it on a permanent basis.

No one had to go looking for the draw, did they?

A more comparable example would be if someone moved your car 2 parking spaces over. You might be a bit wierded out, but would you call the cops? How seriously do you think your complaint would be taken?

baz74

26-Jun-2012
4:17:23 PM

I'm with WWS. Possibly the two worst routes at Thomos, should have moved the draw onto the 20 just to the right at least someone then could have done a half decent climb. The true crime is wasting a nice day on that 24 and not one of the many more appealing 24s at thomos (ie Butterfly Wall Direct or Betty Blue).

One Day Hero

26-Jun-2012
4:26:33 PM

Both those routes are ok. No worse than any of the other slippery things on the Pocket Wall. For sure there's better routes at the crag, but they might have ticked 'em all before..............I'd go so far as to say that the Pocket Wall provides better climbing than 90% of "New Nowra"


nmonteith

26-Jun-2012
4:59:44 PM

I thought the 24 was fun. A bit of a one move wonder - but now with the added extension it's got a bit more climbing in it. Certainly no worse than the 20 and 22 to the right of it. The 21 just right of the crack however is a bit strange and contrived. All these routes are DRY in any weather - which is one of their major selling points.

jono_1

26-Jun-2012
5:10:13 PM

So I take in Damo that you just sat back and watched the whole specatcle with a big grin on your face. Wish I was there.

Reluctant

26-Jun-2012
5:51:57 PM

Point taken. What if the perp dropped the draw while in mid fiddle. Weirded out or pissed off when it's your draw?

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