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12:57:30 PM |
CliffCare Victoria, Friends of Arapiles and Parks Victoria are working on a new collaborative version of the Campground Host Program. I will put up some further info on this over the next week – just need to type up all of my notes and meetings. The first trial run of this will be from Boxing Day until New Years 2011 Our campground host will be Lee, who many of you may have met over the years. She is a long time climber, long time Araps visiter, camper, climber and one could possibly say she has earlier dirtbag credentials. Great lady and think she will defintely be a caring eye for Araps and the campground. She will be there to offer information and guidance on what is available at Araps and the various rules and guidelines that are in place. Hopefully steering some of those who may not know, what's hot and what's not when it comes to looking after the area. She is not there to bust any balls, be they male or female or family ones so be open to any information she can offer. There will also be information available at her tent area, on CliffCare and Friends of Arapiles, and the work they do, Our meetings and training days with PV have been positive and the manual that we are required to write up for the program has been discussed and worked on by Louise Shepherd and myself. This is expected by both sides to be a work in progress. Lee is keen and available to take on more of the Campground Host stints but if there is anyone that thinks they might be up for it, please drop me a line. We are aiming at having a host on all the school holidays, long weekends etc. It is not an onerous role but great experience if you are looking for some skills to write up on your CV especially if you are interested in Land and Conservation, Ranger work etc. Oh...and Lee is aware of the NYE party and appreciates the celebration of the incoming new year as much as anyone. Cheers, Tracey |
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3:49:40 PM |
This sounds like a great initiative, especially the co-operative aspect between the three authorities. Good luck with it! | |||||
10:14:20 PM |
Thanks Doug Bruce, we are feeling positive about it. Early days yet but lots of room to grow and develop over time. Cheers, Tracey |
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10:42:49 PM |
Blake has been replaced! See what they do when you leave! On a serious note, I think this is a good idea, even if it's only for the busier periods. Good luck. |
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11:32:39 PM |
I think this is fantastic, I've seen such systems work in the US too. Has there been anything specific or a recently worsening of campground treatment that has triggered this? Or is it just a long over due need? |
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3:10:33 PM |
On 12/12/2011 patto wrote: >I think this is fantastic, I've seen such systems work in the US too. > >Has there been anything specific or a recently worsening of campground >treatment that has triggered this? Or is it just a long over due need? The idea behind it is about us, as climbers, being proactive about any issues that the campground and park experience and trying to keep a handle on it. It's about education about the areas we use, hopefully not just Araps. As can be seen from other threads on Chockstone, there are differing points of view as to what people see as a problem, but the more people that use the park- and we all know that this will become more, not less, will mean that a little issue becomes a big issue that requires much more work, time and money to rectify, that none of us have. As a lot of these things are gradual, newer users to the park often have nothing to compare it with and think that large devegetated (is that a word?) spots in the day visitor area from people camping there is normal. That all the built fireplaces all across the campgrounds, as well as various spots all around the mount (bushrangers, the lookout etc) is ok so will build their own. I could go on, but I'm sure everyone has heard and read all of this before about what's cool and what's not. I hope, as do the others that I have been involved with in setting up this program, that instead of just a whole lot of rules that get shouted out at climbers, campers etc that the Campground Host program will offer the opportunity to give a little more information out as to the reasons. And then hopefully, most, (and this is about being realistic - nothings perfect) will make an informed decision as to the things they decide to do. Cheers, Tracey |
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3:18:25 PM |
For those who happened to be braving the heat at Arapiles over the Christmas to New Year break, you would have seen the Campground Host, Lee, in place – centre in the lower Pines. From the feedback and experience Lee received in the week she was there, it seems that the Host was a welcome and appreciated addition to the campgrounds. This program is a work in progress for us and much of the feedback will be used to develop a plan that works for the park and for its users. A few points are listed below on some of the situations that Lee had to deal with. As she noted, diplomacy is a key skill to dealing with people and she was very pleased that everyone she spoke to, took it on board and responded quite well in return. Possibly a few had their pride injured a little, but that's normal human behaviour and they took it no further. ** 4 cases of dogs in the park. Some walking on leads some tied on long leads to cars. (no dogs or cats allowed at any time in the park, campgrounds inclluded) ** 2 cases of campfires as well as some enquiries re being able to have a fire (campfires are not allowed at Arapiles from November to April) ** 5 cases of campers set up in the day visitor area ** 3 administrations of first aid As well there were numerous enquiries about the weather in the days ahead, where they could get various supplies, handling a few camper complaints about NYE party noise and general enquiries about the Campground Host role. Feeback was positive. I would like to thank Lee for being our very first ‘host guinea pig’ and for handling each and every situation with diplomacy for a very positive outcome. She enjoyed the experience and has put her hand up for more. Thankyou Lee! I am still looking for more Campground Hosts at Arapiles so if you think it might be something you would like to try, please drop me a line at cliffcare@vicclimb.org.au Cheers, Tracey |
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3:28:20 PM |
Excellent idea and I hope it keeps going! At the very least this should occur during the busy periods. | |||||
3:29:53 PM |
On 20/01/2012 access t wrote: >I am still looking for more Campground Hosts at Arapiles so if you think it might be something you would like to try, please drop me a line at cliffcare@vicclimb.org.au I think Crazy John would like to apply. |
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3:32:58 PM |
On 20/01/2012 simey wrote: >On 20/01/2012 access t wrote: >>I am still looking for more Campground Hosts at Arapiles so if you think >it might be something you would like to try, please drop me a line at cliffcare@vicclimb.o >g.au > >I think Crazy John would like to apply. I did say diplomacy was a key skill :) |
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3:36:04 PM |
On 20/01/2012 access t wrote: >For those who happened to be braving the heat at Arapiles over the Christmas >to New Year break, you would have seen the Campground Host, Lee, in place >– centre in the lower Pines. > It was good to see Lee there. >** 5 cases of campers set up in the day visitor area That does seem to happen a bit. >** 3 administrations of first aid About this one, my climbing partner needed some betadine which unfortunately neither of us were carrying and I went to see if Lee had any. Luckily she did, but it was from her personal first aid kit. I talked to her about it and she said it had been discussed that because potential lack first aid training of volunteers, a first aid kit wasn't provided. Is it possible that one is provided for people to use, but provision of an actual first aid at the discretion of the volunteer? > >As well there were numerous enquiries about the weather in the days ahead. Weather updates were handy once my phone ran out of juice. > Feeback was positive. I think it was a really good thing. > >I would like to thank Lee for being our very first ‘host guinea pig’ and >for handling each and every situation with diplomacy for a very positive >outcome. She enjoyed the experience and has put her hand up for more. Thankyou >Lee! I am still looking for more Campground Hosts at Arapiles so if you >think it might be something you would like to try, please drop me a line >at cliffcare@vicclimb.org.au > Thanks Lee! Sucker for punishment though, definitely a job for those with more diplomacy than myself. |
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3:40:59 PM |
I was there for a week just after the period in question, and was sorry I missed what I hope was Lee's 'moderating influence'. I had resolved to ask a few questions about the success of the trial week, but didn't until this thread revival. Most of what I was going to ask has been answered in the scenarios Lee dealt with. It'd be great to hear from Lee herself about the experience, as well as maybe some tips on non-confrontational techniques for discussing illegal, obnoxious, or just unthinking behaviour. I'd also be interested to hear about what other ways support could be provided for this initiative (ie - I don't think I'd be good in the role, and when I am at Araps, I climb all day and go to bed early, and would not excel at these 'difficult conversations'; but it's something I think most of us could benefit from in the long term, so other opportunities to assist would be great). Finally, Lee, if you read this (or anyone else who has had the conversation) - what reason do people give for camping in the day-trip area? I just don't understand how the multiple big signs of a tent, with a red circle around it and a line through it, can be misinterpreted. |
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4:01:51 PM |
On 20/01/2012 Will_P wrote: >Finally, Lee, if you read this (or anyone else who has had the conversation) >- what reason do people give for camping in the day-trip area? I just don't >understand how the multiple big signs of a tent, with a red circle around >it and a line through it, can be misinterpreted. The other day I approached a camper in the day area on my way out to let them know they shouldn't really be there. While I was telling them I tried to find a sign to back me up and couldn't see one! I know I've seen the signs many times before but it made me think they weren't as obvious as I'd first thought |
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4:10:02 PM |
.... I tried >to find a sign to back me up and couldn't see one! >I know I've seen the signs many times before but it made me think they >weren't as obvious as I'd first thought Maybe you couldn't see past the big dog that was tied to the sign. |
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4:11:10 PM |
On 20/01/2012 pecheur wrote: (snip) >>** 3 administrations of first aid > >About this one, my climbing partner needed some betadine which unfortunately >neither of us were carrying and I went to see if Lee had any. Luckily >she did, but it was from her personal first aid kit. I talked to her about >it and she said it had been discussed that because potential lack first >aid training of volunteers, a first aid kit wasn't provided. Is it possible >that one is provided for people to use, but provision of an actual first >aid at the discretion of the volunteer? Yes, this is something we discussed and will be providing a first aid kit. As you said, the administration is at the discretion of the volunteer. As these first two stints are a trial run, we have been careful with what we have provided for the host and the program. As well as not really knowing what the needs and wants might be. We will be building a complete 'kit' as time goes on. We have a large tent (Lee wanted to use her own) and we also set up a large tarp and table which Lee said was a definite plus so will look at including that as well >On 20/1/12 Will_P said >I'd also be interested to hear about what other ways support could be provided for this initiative (ie - I don't think I'd be good in the role, and when I am at Araps, I climb all day and go to bed early, and would not excel at these 'difficult conversations'; but it's something I think most of us could benefit from in the long term, so other opportunities to assist would be great). > I am putting together some information books that provide much more detail about the park and why some of the rules are necessary and definately of a benefit to the parks values and the people enjoyment of it for the future. These books and display cards will be available at the Host area for people to read. There will be comments and questions forms so we can get feedback direct from the users. As well as some helpful information about general amenities and interests of the area. This will help when the host is not on duty. >Finally, Lee, if you read this (or anyone else who has had the conversation) - what reason do people give for camping in the day-trip area? I just don't understand how the multiple big signs of a tent, with a red circle around it and a line through it, can be misinterpreted. Lee and I chatted about this (not sure how often she comes on Chockstone but I will let her know). - but I camped here last year and no-one told me not to - there are no campsites, it's too crowded - why can't I Sometimes when people want to camp somewhere - they just camp there. Because they want to. Sadly/annoyingly, frustratingly, it seems like someone has taken it upon themselves to remove the actual no camping stickers off one of the posts in that area so that the issue of the signs is no longer an issue. I know it doesn't seem like much to have a random tent here and there but besides the devegetation (really, is that a word..too lazy to google) aspect, it only gives more substance to the argument that Araps will need to get individual campsites that need to be booked because of overflow. Because that's the way many of the campgrounds are going. It's just digging our own grave really, isn't it or maybe the attitude is, oh well, it's going to happen so doesn't really matter. Oops, I have ranted here and am veering off topic. Anyway, so hopefully, over time this information and understanding will get out there and people will take it on board. |
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4:19:19 PM |
Hi Tracey, You've indirectly answered my question a couple of time (I don't think I phrased it very well). I'd be interested in donating funds for a replacement sign, and/or funds or material for first aid (I'd prefer the sign really, believing people should bring their own 1st aid kits). I imagine the no camping in the picnic area sign isn't a high priority for Parks Vic (understandably). Whether this is through CliffCare, Friends of Arapiles, VCC, whatever, I'm interested in supporting the maintenance of The Pines. Cheers, Will |
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4:26:53 PM |
Further on the point of camping in the wrong spot. I approached a couple of guys camped directly under a massive redgum limb, and suggested that it was not a good location. They chose to ignore me. You can only do so much. |
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5:16:04 PM |
And don't even get me started on the random fireplace starters. Okay, there aren't that many of the proper fireplaces, and some of the best spots in The Pines are a fair way from one, and on any decent weekend arrival, you might miss out. So there are some well-established 'unofficial' fire pits, areas that will never be revegetated, and are now considered established. But the people who set up camp, then start a fire on a previously undamaged piece of ground, these people just blow my mind. On Melbourne Cup weekend 2011, a big family group set up a couple of metres from me (which pissed me off anyway, but hey, it was busy), then proceeded to make a ring of rocks on a grassy, vegetated patch of ground, pour some kinda accelerant on locally-collected kindling, and have a fire with damp wood with the kids chasing each other around it. They left the next day, and no one can camp on that spot for years. Is it stupidity, or just selfishness? And yes, I know, I should've tried to educate them, but there is just no way I could've hidden my contempt and would likely have made a bad situation worse, which is why I like this whole campground host concept. | |||||
5:46:58 PM |
Guinea pigs aren't allowed in the park either | |||||
5:50:24 PM |
we were there from the 3rd ot the 7th and there was certainly things going on that shouldn't have been, the two main ones being a dog at Bushrangers Bluff and people camping in the non-camping area. The people in the non-camping area appeared to be a group by the fact three out of four tents were the same make and colour, arrived at the same time and dissapeared at the same time. It wasn't particuarly busy but i suspect they figured they'd try their luck and claim ignorance if a ranger had shown up. It's also possible that after doing a lap of the main camp ground they succumed to the alluring temptation of flat(er) ground and plenty of shade for the group. While i certainly don't approve (the should sleep funny and bake in the heat like the rest of us) i can understand why they chose to ignore the signs. Much like Bones when I was walking through I couldnt see a sign and didn't make any comments (plus i havne't camped there in years and didn't really feel it was 'my place' to say anything) however i distinctly remember seeing them when i drove in. I reckon the signs are in the right spot for people coming into the park but not so much for people just walking through at random/various angles - i'd be surprised if they didn't see the signs when they drove in, but as a side note does anyone know/remember if any of the signs are facing inwards? This would probably make it easier and less confrontational for passers by to point out to campers (especially those still in the middle of setting up or just unloading tents from their cars) that they should choose a different spot. It's probably not a top priority given all the other things going on in the park but should govt funding become available for this sort of thing it's probably worth considering. The host program sounds like an awesome idea and cudo's to Lee and anyone else who volunteers for the job. I know i couldn't do it (would probably throw a tantrum after kicking ignorant camper number 7 from the non-camping area) so thanks Lee, and all those involved, for taking this on! |
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