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17-Nov-2011 10:49:13 AM
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On 17/11/2011 Wendy wrote:
>WTF is a long, non-repeating climbing experience?
A. A long route that you never want to repeat
B. A remote, unique climbing area
C. Not Nowra
D. A road trip with Bert Levy
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17-Nov-2011 11:11:03 AM
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On 17/11/2011 citationx wrote:
>On 17/11/2011 Wendy wrote:
>>WTF is a long, non-repeating climbing experience?
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>That you don't have to do the same thing over and over and over. For gr25
>and below, how many routes are there? really enough to spend two-three
>weeks without repeating a route?
Ok, now that your bizzarely worded sentence is explained, really, there is. Given that most of the routes are long and the walk in and descent take a while, unless you're a machine, you'll be happy with one route a day, maybe supplemented with some of the single pitch stuff close to camp plus a few days of shorter harder stuff and a day smashing the great wall. There are at least 3 mindblowing sub grade 15 routes, 3 mindblowing 15s, a couple of mindblowing 16-18s, 4 mindblowing 19s, 2 mindblowing 20s and I've barely touched the harder stuff, but no shortage of awesome sounding 22-24s that I keep saving for one of those trips when I'm actually fit enough to give them a good go onsight. Plus a bunch of lesser stuff. That looks easily like a very full 3 weeks to me.
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17-Nov-2011 11:13:04 AM
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How about long, repeating, non-climbing experiences?
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17-Nov-2011 11:25:21 AM
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On 17/11/2011 Wendy wrote:
>.... Given that most of the routes are long and the walk in and descent
>take a while, unless you're a machine, you'll be happy with one route a
>day, maybe supplemented with some of the single pitch stuff close to camp
>plus a few days of shorter harder stuff and a day smashing the great wall.
Only one route a day at Moonarie! I've never been noted for my early starts and speed ascents but on my first visit we were doing 2 routes on most days in winter and didn't have to resort to head torches on the walk-down. Crammed a lot into 1 week.
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17-Nov-2011 11:41:33 AM
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On 17/11/2011 kieranl wrote:
>On 17/11/2011 Wendy wrote:
>>.... Given that most of the routes are long and the walk in and descent
>>take a while, unless you're a machine, you'll be happy with one route
>a
>>day, maybe supplemented with some of the single pitch stuff close to
>camp
>>plus a few days of shorter harder stuff and a day smashing the great
>wall.
>Only one route a day at Moonarie! I've never been noted for my early starts
>and speed ascents but on my first visit we were doing 2 routes on most
>days in winter and didn't have to resort to head torches on the walk-down.
>Crammed a lot into 1 week.
Maybe you're more of a machine than you thought? I wouldn't expect the average mid teens climber to run up Hangover Layback or GGRC and have much time or energy left for anything more than Gargoyle or Tim Tam on the way down the descent gully. But if they did, it would just mean they got twice as much done!
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17-Nov-2011 12:05:22 PM
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Don't let them start with low expectations or they'll live down to them.
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17-Nov-2011 12:32:52 PM
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Moonarie isn't the size of Araps, Gramps or the Bluies but it certainly has weeks worth of climbing! What does suck after a few days is the walk-in - you either just get very fit or need a rest day. There is plenty of great 4WD touring and day walks in the area for rest days. I loved the Moonarie area - its great area to have an 'outback' experiance without having to drive too far.
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17-Nov-2011 6:30:51 PM
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what timing. this is the "Car mart" in sydney that i was referring to...
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/backpacker-car-market-opens-in-sydney-20111117-1nkre.html
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17-Nov-2011 9:37:14 PM
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On 16/11/2011 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>On 16/11/2011 MisterGribble wrote:
>>I'm in agreement, I think it's one of the most concise and accurate posts
>>in a long while
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>Except "Old Nowra" should also be in the F category
wrong...
if you havent been to nowra before there are acres of quality enjoyable sport routes at all grades, also only 1/2 hour to point perp for picturesque trad
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21-Nov-2011 12:31:02 AM
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On 17/11/2011 citationx wrote:
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>It was a simple statement. You can just say "No, there are more crags
>than just the great wall and there are around 600 routes". better than
>all this other friggin around with pointless posts trying to prove your
>superiority in the knowledge of the crag. There are so many stupid retorts
>to my original post that it's pointless me deleting it now.
If you actually had a grasp on why people would want to travel to the other side of the world for climbing, maybe you wouldn't be so stupid as to confuse the quality of a cliff with how many weeks of climbing it can provide.
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21-Nov-2011 12:41:24 AM
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On 17/11/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Nowra is an A cliff, and Booroomba and Buffalo are B cliffs?
>~> Serious sandbag there I reckon...
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>I understand not necessarily travelling from overseas to do them, but
>I wouldn't even travel interstate to do Nowra*!
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>(*Since when does a half ropelength become an overseas desirable cliff
>to travel too?).
Nowra is only a desirable destination if you have a chance of getting up more than a dozen of the routes........I can understand why it wouldn't appeal to a purist such as yourself ;)
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21-Nov-2011 8:36:31 AM
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On 21/11/2011 One Day Hero wrote:
>On 17/11/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>Nowra is an A cliff, and Booroomba and Buffalo are B cliffs?
>>~> Serious sandbag there I reckon...
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>>I understand not necessarily travelling from overseas to do them, but
>>I wouldn't even travel interstate to do Nowra*!
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>>(*Since when does a half ropelength become an overseas desirable cliff
>>to travel too?).
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>Nowra is only a desirable destination if you have a chance of getting
>up more than a dozen of the routes........I can understand why it wouldn't
>appeal to a purist such as yourself ;)
Touche!
Laughed out aloud at that ODH, though I do prefer multipitch and would travel for quality in that genre.
Here is a thought.
I suspect given the variety of individuals who call themselves climbers, that 'quality' would cause as many debates as grading systems!
;-)
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21-Nov-2011 8:57:42 AM
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On 17/11/2011 grantoss wrote:
>On 16/11/2011 Eduardo Slabofvic. wrote:
>>On 16/11/2011 MisterGribble wrote:
>>>I'm in agreement, I think it's one of the most concise and accurate
>posts
>>>in a long while
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>>Except "Old Nowra" should also be in the F category
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>wrong...
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>if you havent been to nowra before there are acres of quality enjoyable
>sport routes at all grades, also only 1/2 hour to point perp for picturesque
>trad
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wrong.
Have been to Nowra and its a poo hole
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23-Nov-2011 10:41:42 PM
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Fellow mods....One Day Hero has recently put a smiley ":)" at the end of a number of posts.
We have cracked him.
Cyber, "High Fives" all around.
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