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ambitious goal needed


ChuckNorris

22-Sep-2011
11:02:20 PM

Fair play and game over. BTW I agree with Duncan - your ascent of the route that shall not be mentioned was pretty awesome.

Looking forward to crossing paths sometime and having a chuckle over this internet bullshit.


Macciza

22-Sep-2011
11:15:20 PM

Damn Keiran,
You should have pointed out the faults of his maths/physics statement . . .
It seems non-abelian Yang-Mills is far more proven via theoretical physic than in its' mathematical proofs . .. oh well . . .

And I don't mention Shai Hulud that often either . . . really . . . Do I ??
Ultimately we didn't do a new route because that seemed tooo ambitious . . .
Cheers
MM


ajfclark

23-Sep-2011
9:35:07 AM

On 22/09/2011 useful wrote:
>Christ ODH is right - you have no friking idea - engineers have no clue about maths.

I think the cartoon that's been proven right is this one:

Purity


ajfclark

23-Sep-2011
10:08:35 AM

I'm not sure anyone else here will get that reference David.

(or "I can't let you do that Dave")

One Day Hero

23-Sep-2011
5:59:43 PM

On 23/09/2011 davidn wrote:
>
>Irony - when a nerd tries to disprove your accusations of nerd-dom with
>a pedantic dissection of a sarcastic comment. ;)

Irony - when davidn tries to reduce the impression of being a c--khead (brought on by the last thing he wrote), by writing another c--khead comment :D

Duncan

23-Sep-2011
6:05:28 PM

On 23/09/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>I'm not sure anyone else here will get that reference David.

You think no one will get an ancient internet meme?

simey

27-Sep-2011
8:58:20 PM

On 12/09/2011 ebenweb wrote:
>hi all,
>
>i'm a relatively new climber (1yr gym climbing, now doing grades 17-22)
>and have about 18 months left here in australia before i start living abroad.
> before i leave, i'd like to set a very ambitious climbing goal that will
>force me to train rigorously. i'd like to be at my physical peak by the
>time i achieve the goal in 18 months--or as close as i can get by gyming
>about three hours a week and climbing two to three times a week.
>
>at the moment i climb about twice a week and don't excercise beyond that.
>
>
>can anyone recommend a destination and/or climb? i'd like it to include
>trad climbing.
>of course i want to practice here in victoria but have no objection to
>interstate or overseas destinations as well.

Is this a serious question?! I don't even know where to start, but I would go as far as saying that young Blake and mate's effort of rapping to the base of Ozy and not climbing one metre of the route is starting to look like the equivalent of Walter Bonatti's 6 day solo first ascent on the Dru in comparison to edenweb's unbelievably naive question.

Who would have thought that Blake's lame effort puts him in a league where even he can look down at this young grasshopper with total disdain?


shortman

27-Sep-2011
9:13:46 PM

God makes 'em different Simey.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

27-Sep-2011
9:19:56 PM

On 27/09/2011 simey wrote:
>On 12/09/2011 ebenweb wrote:
>>hi all,
>>
>>i'm a relatively new climber (snip)

>Is this a serious question?! I don't even know where to start, but I would
>go as far as saying that young Blake and mate's effort of rapping to the
>base of Ozy and not climbing one metre of the route is starting to look
>like the equivalent of Walter Bonatti's 6 day solo first ascent on the
>Dru in comparison to edenweb's unbelievably naive question.
>
>Who would have thought that Blake's lame effort puts him in a league where
>even he can look down at this young grasshopper with total disdain?
>

Back then bl@ke was also a relatively new climber.
It is out in the public arena so we can say what we will about them and their ideals, but one thing is hard to deny, and that is 'they' (new climbers), are generally full of enthusiasm; and this can be infectious (in a good way), for some of us older farts that may be starting to become jaded?

It is a gift, so why rain on their parade?
Better to fuel the enthusiasm and guide it with some common sense (if there is such a thing), so that they safely share that gift with the rest of us, and thereby save us from self consuming boredom on the internet?

~> Who knows, ebenweb may turn out to be the next Bonatti, and may even drag an aging ~~simey~~Chockstoner up a climb or two before they have finished, if their fire isn't put out!

We were all beginners once.
☺


wallwombat

27-Sep-2011
9:47:06 PM

that's what rodw and widewet... do. They go bushwalking and then they go abseiling with power tools and glue

And sometimes rungs.

And Fun.

(Oz sport climbing was f---ed until dude found American Fork)

Or was it Ralph.

There is no such thing as choss.

Wingello is like Ceuse with Brown Snakes.

And Red Rocks is grouse.

ODH, check out Badgery's . (The American Fork of the Southern Highlands(

Headpointed by M9 and retro-bolted and renamed by some punk named Garth.

It doesn't get better

You can tick the crag in an afternoon.

Then check out Bungonia

It will be a cake walk.


wallwombat

27-Sep-2011
9:56:47 PM

Obviously, I'm Pissed.

simey

27-Sep-2011
11:37:31 PM

I figured.

simey

27-Sep-2011
11:47:08 PM

On 27/09/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>...but one thing is hard to deny, and that is 'they' (new climbers),
>are generally full of enthusiasm; and this can be infectious (in a good
>way), for some of us older farts that may be starting to become jaded?

There is nothing inspiring about a beginner whose enthusiasm extends to writing on the web and asking others for 'a very ambitious climbing goal that will force me to train rigorously'. That is just lazy (and weird). An enthusiastic beginner in my mind is one who devours every bit of climbing literature and hassles anyone and everyone to get out on rock at every possible opportunity.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

28-Sep-2011
12:03:01 PM

On 27/09/2011 simey wrote:
>On 27/09/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>...but one thing is hard to deny, and that is 'they' (new climbers),
>>are generally full of enthusiasm; and this can be infectious (in a good
>>way), for some of us older farts that may be starting to become jaded?
>
>There is nothing inspiring about a beginner whose enthusiasm extends to
>writing on the web and asking others for 'a very ambitious climbing goal
>that will force me to train rigorously'. That is just lazy (and weird).
>An enthusiastic beginner in my mind is one who devours every bit of climbing
>literature and hassles anyone and everyone to get out on rock at every
>possible opportunity.
>

It is not weird, just different to what you and I grew up with.

I wonder if Bonatti would have posted on the internet (if it was around when he was a beginner), regarding seeking a climbing goal?
;-)
I doubt he needed anything other than his eyes for inspiration, and to that extent I agree with your summation, however times have changed and it seems the new generation is too often flat out seeing past the gym climbing wall these days!

It is not how I would go about it, as I fit your climbing literature devouring description above, but the lad has chosen to interact with climbers on an internet climbing site, ... where the quality reading in climbing terms, has to be sorted from the extra guff, so he needs some inspiration amongst the sandbagging...

Anyrate, I have said my piece, and the lad can defend his own stance, since he started the thread anyway.
Heh, heh, heh.

simey

28-Sep-2011
12:53:54 PM

M9, what drugs are you on? To suggest that Walter Bonatti (if born in today's era) might have jumped on the internet and posted something similar to ebenweb is simply blasphemous. Let's critique every line this young whipper-snapper says in his opening post on Chockstone...

>hi all,

Nice start. He should have stopped there.

>i'm a relatively new climber (1yr gym climbing, now doing grades 17-22)

Are we talking leading or top-roping? Are you really climbing 22? And what about grades lower than 17? Are they too lowly to bother with?

>and have about 18 months left here in australia before i start living abroad. before i leave, i'd like to set a very ambitious climbing goal that will force me to train rigorously.

Things are starting to get weird

>i'd like to be at my physical peak

Oh no.

>by the time i achieve the goal in 18 months--or as close as i can get by gyming about three hours a week and climbing two to three times a week.

Please stop, you're killing me.

>at the moment i climb about twice a week and don't excercise beyond that.

Mmmm, I'm starting to realise that the chances of you reaching your physical peak are about as likely as someone developing abs of steel after ordering some exercise apparatus after watching an infomercial.

>can anyone recommend a destination and/or climb? i'd like it to include trad climbing. of course i want to practice here in victoria but have no objection to interstate or overseas destinations as well.

Good to hear that you are not limiting yourself to Victoria. I doubt anything in this state will match your lofty goals and peak physical condition.

All I can say is...watch this space in 18 months!

Pommy

28-Sep-2011
1:09:24 PM

ebenweb - if your plans for climbing hard and inspiring stuff do fall through, you could always just climb mid grade trad and talk crap on Chockstone all day


IdratherbeclimbingM9

28-Sep-2011
1:13:38 PM

On 28/09/2011 simey wrote:
>M9, what drugs are you on? To suggest that Walter Bonatti (if born in today's
>era) might have jumped on the internet and posted something similar to
>ebenweb is simply blasphemous.

You misunderstood my post simey.
I was saying (albeit in shorthand sarcasm version), that Walter Bonatti lived amongst mountains and would have seen them on the horizon almost every day. He need only look up at them for inspiration (which I believe he must have done, given his achievements); and I agree with you, that to interpret it as you suggest I have, would be blasphemous.

~> If I could have gathered the time/$/etc I would have loved to have had a crack at the Bonatti Pillar! ~> What an eye magnet that is was!!


IdratherbeclimbingM9

28-Sep-2011
1:23:44 PM

On 28/09/2011 Pommy wrote:
>ebenweb - if your plans for climbing hard and inspiring stuff do fall through,
>you could always just climb mid grade trad and talk crap on Chockstone
>all day

Ahh come on Pommy, that isn't what you wrote once before!
;-)

One day Hero

28-Sep-2011
1:32:25 PM

On 28/09/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>
>~> If I could gather the time/$/etc I would love to have a crack at the
>Bonatti Pillar! ~> What an eye magnet that is!!

Ummmm, I think this route is now considerably less demanding (and more horizontal) than it was at the time Bonatti climbed it.........seeing as it fell down a few years ago, and is now lying as a jumble of boulders below the Dru!!

You'll need to save a fair bit of dosh to buy your seat in a time-machine :)

see the white patch in this photo?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywalker1/70109547/


IdratherbeclimbingM9

28-Sep-2011
1:42:18 PM

Yep you are right ODH, and now you have rejogged my memory, I do recall that event happened. I must be getting older, as my memory seems to be becoming less reliable when it comes to important things like ~~argueing~~ discussing the merits of posts on Chockstone! Heh, heh, heh.
~> I have amended my original post accordingly.

On 28/09/2011 davidn wrote:
>Wait - was Simey the tea lady, or the guy that climbed Taipan?

My blouse is prettier than simey's!
Heh, heh, heh.

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