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People who bring their pet dog into national parks
gfdonc
24/08/2011
2:44:44 PM
Do they still run horse trail rides down into the Grand Canyon? That is the worst situation involving domesticated animals I've seen in a National Park anywhere - horsesh!t all over the hiking trails.

ajfclark
24/08/2011
2:58:08 PM
Not sure about horses, but mules were mentioned when a friend was discussing his recent adventure into the canyon (and dogs for that matter).
skegly
24/08/2011
3:32:23 PM
My pet cow will stop any bushfires in National parks!
Wendy
24/08/2011
5:24:01 PM
Cows, pigs, donkeys and buffalo all over our national parks up north. Actually, there's a few ways northern australian resembles the developing world ...

Considering that US americans take their dogs into all sorts of areas I considered unsuitable, not to mention still have cattle ranches all through places like Indian Creek, that seems a little rich of them to complain about the south americans.

Wendy
24/08/2011
5:58:28 PM
On 24/08/2011 Climboholic wrote:
>Why would you bring a cat for a bushwalk?! It's not really the same thing.
>I wouldn't expect cat owners to understand to loyalty and companionship
>of a good dog.

I wouldn't expect dog owners to understand the loyalty and companionship of a good cat ...

It has been said by assorted dog people that my cat is just like a dog. He's totally part of the family, could never be said to be a snooty, aloof animal in any way. He follows me round, wants to hang out whenever I'm doing stuff in the house, is a way more loving animal than plenty of dogs are. He's a people cat. He'll be super soppy to anyone who takes a shine to him. Which includes even hardened noncat people. It all depends how you raise them rather than intrinsic characteristics of the species. People often expect cats to be aloof, independent, low maintenance, so they raise cats that are just that.

Bernard is an inside cat, but he does get supervised walks in the garden. He'll hang out in the vegie patch while I garden, or around the house whilst I have tea on the doorstep, or follow me to hang out the washing. (Yeah, OK, so I'm pathetically soppy about my cat too ...) You can actually train cats to hang around you, come when called, sit on your lap in the car (or on the dashboard!) and Mo has hers trained to leashes. I've bumped into people travelling with cats - ie they live in the camper van with them, and are taken around just like people do dogs.

But nevertheless, I still don't feel put out that I can't take Bernard into national parks. That's just how it is, there are good reasons for it, and when I do see dogs in the bush, it just reinforces my opinion on it.

>
>I agree that the dog owner should have plastic bags to clean up after
>their dog and that it should be controlled (not necessarily on a lead).
>There is a designated dog beach in Newcastle and owners generally stick
>to these guidlines. All I am proposing is the same for bush areas..

You can go climbing in the states and see what it's like. It's that "generally" thing. Generally, there's enough people that aren't managing their animals responsibly to make it a pain in the arse, if not a hazard for everyone else. Not to mention for the wildlife. People might apologise for their dog, but they still aren't prepared to take appropriate action to manage their dogs. I think leashes are certainly necessary. Owners just can't or don't stop their dogs from chasing other dogs, birds, lizards etc, barking, threatening people, raiding your food or begging constantly for it, digging holes and peeing and pooing wherever.

I just don't get why dog owners think they should be special. What's wrong with playing with your dog in your house and yard? Taking it for walks in suburban areas (on a leash!)? Doesn't your dog just want to hang out with you? Does it really care whether you are playing fetch in the back yard or jogging down your street with it rather than walking in the bush? We've created enough disturbance to our environment. We don't need to add to it. I can rant about 4wds and motorbikes and other high impact activities in inappropriate environments as well, so don't feel too picked on.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
24/08/2011
11:06:13 PM
On 21/08/2011 tastybigmac wrote:
A very effective troll post!!
;-)

Maxo
24/08/2011
11:24:51 PM
I bet the average moggie has killed more native animals than 100 average dogs. That is, unless your cat is only allowed outside under supervision. Also, children should be leashed. That is all.

White Trash
24/08/2011
11:27:38 PM
On 24/08/2011 omax wrote:
>I bet the average moggie has killed more native animals than 100 average
>dogs. That is, unless your cat is only allowed outside under supervision.
>Also, children should be leashed. That is all.

is this why climbers are on ropes and boulderers are regarded as ferals?
Wendy
25/08/2011
7:34:20 AM
On 24/08/2011 omax wrote:
>I bet the average moggie has killed more native animals than 100 average
>dogs. That is, unless your cat is only allowed outside under supervision.
>Also, children should be leashed. That is all.

Tim Flannery wrote a quarterly essay somewhere that talks about how sheep have killed more native animals than cats. Honestly, I'm not taking the piss.

And my mother did have me on baby reins. Imagine what an annoying child i'd have been with out them.
climberman
25/08/2011
7:34:59 AM
On 24/08/2011 evanbb wrote:
>On 23/08/2011 Wendy wrote:
>>Is it still a wilderness area if it allows dogs?
>
>I would argue no. The definition of wilderness I have always used involves
>essentially no involvement from humans or domestic animals. There isn't
>much true wilderness left under this definition.

My personal view is that wilderness is a bullshit legal defenition and it must seem, pretty rude if you are Aboriginal, or even have some vaguie idea of the impact of 40 000 years of habitation by people (or even 5 000 years of dingos on the mainland) all over every part of 'wilderness' Australia.

evanbb
25/08/2011
9:26:30 AM
On 25/08/2011 climberman wrote:
>My personal view is that wilderness is a bullshit legal defenition and
>it must seem, pretty rude if you are Aboriginal, or even have some vaguie
>idea of the impact of 40 000 years of habitation by people (or even 5 000
>years of dingos on the mainland) all over every part of 'wilderness' Australia.

That contains some sense.

evanbb
25/08/2011
9:27:18 AM
On 24/08/2011 omax wrote:
>I bet the average moggie has killed more native animals than 100 average
>dogs. That is, unless your cat is only allowed outside under supervision.
>Also, children should be leashed. That is all.

I read somewhere recently that ony cat is equivalent to 17 wind turbines in the number of birds they kill. This may or may not be accurate.

pmonks
25/08/2011
9:38:14 AM
On 25/08/2011 evanbb wrote:
>I read somewhere recently that ony cat is equivalent to 17 wind turbines
>in the number of birds they kill. This may or may not be accurate.

I had heard that the average wind turbine can kill around 1000 cats, provided you have a big enough trebouchet with which to launch them. Seems like a win-win technology to me! Or is that wind-wind? <boom-ching>

ajfclark
25/08/2011
10:36:40 AM
MEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoow SPLAT

evanbb
25/08/2011
10:59:57 AM
On 24/08/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>On 21/08/2011 tastybigmac wrote:
>A very effective troll post!!

There would be no internet left if trolling disappeared.

ajfclark
25/08/2011
11:08:41 AM
Yes there would. Pornography sustains the internerd.

evanbb
25/08/2011
11:15:38 AM
On 25/08/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>Yes there would. Pornography sustains the internerd.

I actually thought Facebook had surpassed it, in the US anyway.

All Facebook comments threads descend into naked trolling eventually. QED.
tskinner
25/08/2011
11:50:40 AM
On 25/08/2011 ajfclark wrote:
>MEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoow SPLAT

Andrew, there would be no splat involved with a wind turbine. Another kind of impact word would be more appropriate...

Cool Hand Lock
26/08/2011
4:43:27 PM
We only make "Parks" in on land thats too shit, steep, rocky, hilly or sandy, to be of use for farming. Give me one example of good farming land being used for a park?

Westerfolds? I've seen some fat cows there.

Having said that. If you bring your dog to Arapiles or Grampians I'll personally call the ranger and/or try to get it shot by a local farmer.

kuu
26/08/2011
5:02:57 PM
On 26/08/2011 Cool Hand Lock wrote:
> Give me one example of good farming land
>being used for a park?
>

Victoria's Alpine National Parks. ;-)

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