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People who bring their pet dog into national parks


rodw

23-Aug-2011
4:03:08 PM

I guessing none?.... except for state forests?

Wendy

23-Aug-2011
4:15:00 PM

Is it still a wilderness area if it allows dogs?

widewetandslippery

23-Aug-2011
4:19:34 PM

Depends on what you call a wilderness area. For instance no dogs at araps but araps is hardly wilderness.

Wendy

23-Aug-2011
4:27:14 PM

Logic 101 for WWS: just because A = not B, doesn't mean that not A = B. I can't take a dog into the library, but I certainly wouldn't call the library wilderness!

White Trash

23-Aug-2011
9:40:58 PM

On 23/08/2011 Wendy wrote:
>I can't take a dog into the library, but I certainly wouldn't call the
>library wilderness!

unless it is in Natimuk?


Climboholic

24-Aug-2011
7:46:16 AM

On 23/08/2011 rodw wrote:
>I guessing none?.... except for state forests?

Ah-ha! I never realised the difference between a State Park and a State Forest.

As a dog owner, I am going to play the Devils Advocate and say that there should be some bush areas (with decent hiking) where dogs are allowed. I would love to be able to take him for an overnight bush walk.

Wendy

24-Aug-2011
8:10:13 AM

What is it with dog owners wanting to take their dogs everywhere? I would never even consider taking my cat out climbing, or for a bushwalk, or that it was ok to let him run around uncontrolled. Some large portion of my problem with people and dogs is that they don't clean up after them, don't keep them on leads and don't keep them under control. There were no shortage of dogs at crags that were well out of order on both of my US trips.


Climboholic

24-Aug-2011
8:43:15 AM

Why would you bring a cat for a bushwalk?! It's not really the same thing. I wouldn't expect cat owners to understand to loyalty and companionship of a good dog.

I agree that the dog owner should have plastic bags to clean up after their dog and that it should be controlled (not necessarily on a lead). There is a designated dog beach in Newcastle and owners generally stick to these guidlines. All I am proposing is the same for bush areas..


evanbb

24-Aug-2011
10:45:55 AM

On 23/08/2011 Wendy wrote:
>Is it still a wilderness area if it allows dogs?

I would argue no. The definition of wilderness I have always used involves essentially no involvement from humans or domestic animals. There isn't much true wilderness left under this definition.

Like at the top of Mt Geryon, there was tat and a footpad. No longer wilderness IMHO.


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
10:57:22 AM

What about dingos? They are dogs and there is plenty of them in wilderness areas (howling all through the Blue Mtns at night for example).

f_abe

24-Aug-2011
11:01:02 AM

Seen plenty of dogs camped at Buandik over the years. All they do is trample the undergrowth, take a dump in the open, piss on a tree and chase possums. No difference to the poeple I generally climb with...


evanbb

24-Aug-2011
11:54:33 AM

On 24/08/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>What about dingos? They are dogs and there is plenty of them in wilderness
>areas (howling all through the Blue Mtns at night for example).

Many people call dingos native because they've been here long enough. But, suspect many of the dogs in the Blueies are cross-breeds with other ferals.

tl;dr shoot them too.


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
12:30:35 PM

The dingos i've seen the Bluies first hand certainly look like the stereotypical ones - yellow red colour, lean, long snouts etc.

One Day Hero

24-Aug-2011
12:40:29 PM

On 24/08/2011 Wendy wrote:
> I would
>never even consider taking my cat out climbing, or for a bushwalk, or that
>it was ok to let him run around uncontrolled.

I'm not so sure that Bernard would be stoked if you took him out for a bushwalk........


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
12:44:53 PM


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
12:46:37 PM


climbau

24-Aug-2011
1:09:29 PM

I never seen "Dingoes" in the Blueis, but most definitely been tracked through the bush by feral versions of German shepherd cross dogs and some smaller type dogs with lots of hair and all fuzzy.


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
1:12:41 PM

The dingoes I saw were down at Asgard Swamp (west of Victoria Falls). I've seem them there twice.

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2589671.htm


skegly

24-Aug-2011
2:03:36 PM

Just wish my dog could belay!

What about my pet cow? No problem bringing her into a National park!!!!


nmonteith

24-Aug-2011
2:25:11 PM

On 24/08/2011 skegly wrote:
>What about my pet cow? No problem bringing her into a National park!!!!

There were cows all through the national parks in Peru - and some Americans we met were saying how disgraceful it was that it was happening. "Only in the third world" - that sort of thing. I had to sadly admit that they were actually LEGALLY allowed in our national parks until very recently (and maybe once again soon).

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