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Smitten the movie

BoulderBaby
29-Aug-2011
12:00:11 AM
On 28/08/2011 hipster wrote:
>On 28/08/2011 BoulderBaby wrote:
>>Maybe they got permits. It happens.
>
> Absolutely no way. There is no way they got permits to film the BASE
>jumping segments. Yes, they would have for the climbing, but not for the
>BASE stuff

On 28/08/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>
>I think Ado was referring to the need for filming permits - usually required
>if you are shooting commercially (which is what this film is).
StuE
29-Aug-2011
9:31:58 AM
I saw it the other day and I'm glad to say I didn't shell out for it either. For a climbing movie, its all padding and not enough climbing. And of that, far too much of it was footage that was already available elsewhere, especially with the bouldering. Most of intro's were painful and the fast forward button got a lot of action. And wtf is with the rabbit? Maybe I just don't get 'it'.
spicelab
29-Aug-2011
9:57:07 AM
On 28/08/2011 Cool Hand Lock wrote:
>It's Wank! like most climbing films. It's not a film about the cutting
>edge climbers. It's a film about people who like to be filmed, there's
>plenty of people out there climbing harder and more interesting stuff,
>who just dont wank on about it.
>
>One step up from the tools who post their 'extreeme' exploits on youtube.
>
>Bunch of narcissistic WANKERS

This is nothing but sheer blind prejudice and projection.

Zac, Lee, James, Thomas - media tarts? Narcissistic?

I'm with cogsy, I really enjoyed the film on the whole. The quality of the filming was definitely a notch or two below the slick footage in recent international climbing films - in particular not being able to see what the holds were a fair bit of the time is rubbish.

But I appreciated the obvious effort in differentiating the film from the rest of the international market, and thought the interviews did a great job of making the climbers personable, rather than lobotomised climbing machines (try watchng a Paul Robinson bouldering video - the guy has the charisma of a cardboard box).
The Zac and Jarmilla interview was a highlight of the film in my view.

Not sure what my position is on the BASE stuff though..
kp
29-Aug-2011
10:55:33 AM
Ado has hit the nail on the head!

benjenga
29-Aug-2011
4:27:46 PM
I can't help but to say I am disappointed.
From when I first viewed the teaser on Utube I was super psych to see the whole film. I watched the film at the first showing at katoomba and the overall feel from the crowed was disappointment..
Australian climbing has so much to show to the world so I hope the next Aussie climbing film hits the mark.

Also to be noted is the film that everyone has watched in Australia isn't the version being release to the rest of the world. There is a PG version to be released, I am interested to see how that looks.
bl@ke
29-Aug-2011
4:40:21 PM
when you feel your heart errupt I'll take you to my house and *beep* you.

Something like that

E. Wells
29-Aug-2011
6:08:32 PM
The jumping didnt offend me, and the language during climbing was fine in that context, I would say 'that one track' was a bit off but once again, in context it was about spot on, but the interviews were awkward , as awkward as the 3 weeks of chocky silence before Ado actually expressed some honest criticism. And the attempts at arthouse interludey thingos? murdering someone and burying them is funny I suppose so long as you are so far removed from these events as reality. If the climbers and routes werent so damn amazing I wouldnt give a crap , but I would only ever watch it again for beta!
mthrfckr
29-Aug-2011
6:44:01 PM
This is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0x-oCktX4g&feature=player_embedded#!

The good Dr
29-Aug-2011
7:08:06 PM
On 29/08/2011 mthrfckr wrote:
>This is better.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0x-oCktX4g&feature=player_embedded#!

Really awesome footage.
Nottobetaken
29-Aug-2011
7:38:00 PM
Better soundtrack as well.
benjo
30-Aug-2011
4:19:48 PM
Where to begin Ado…?

“I feel so sorry for all the companies that supported it, what a waste of coin. Ed Thornhill you should hand back all their money. Whatever you promised them you didn't deliver”- Why vilify Ed? So…he wanted to make a climbing film, got some sponsors for it, made the film and in your mind HE didn’t deliver…? What a bastard he is, well worth your online slag-fest…Not. I can think of a bunch of expeditions that received cash from sponsors and didn’t “deliver”…! He doesn’t deserve to be on the brainless chopping block of online assassins.

“What's with all the swearing? It should have been edited out, and the climbers should all know when the camera starts rolling it's not the time to start with the potty mouth. That's what being professional is all about”- ??? Apparently people f#ck’in swear…I know a 3 year old that f#ck’in swears when he boulders, its not a big f#ck’in deal. And why not capture the actual scene for what it is and not be such a prude? It hurts sometimes to look in a mirror I know. It’s not like all the f#ck’in Dosage f#ck’in films haven’t got any f#ck’in swearing in them. Like f#ck’in Cogsy said “Most modern comedy, film and music video's really push the old limit of what is offensive or not...”, first a bit of cleavage, then a bit of the old nip, the way its going you’ll be sitting in your arm chair in 5 years with your 3D glasses on watching a movie and you won’t even flinch at the fact your getting turkey slapped in 3D in your living room, and you’ll still angst about swearing in f#ck’in climbing films. “That's what being professional is all about”- what do you mean? No ones claiming to be professional here. We can swear as much as we f#ck’in well want, are we not human too?

“There was NO consideration given to flat light conditions, the camera just kept rolling in full sun so the contrast was woeful”- well there was, it’s just that we aren’t all blessed with the right lighting conditions allllll the time, not to mention the keen eye for film making that you obviously have. When you drive to Victoria for 2 days in summer to film 3 routes it puts you under the pump a bit apparently…

“The footage on Taipan SHOULD have been awesome. It was far from it”- Yes it was, it had me in it you daft monkey.

“To conduct commercial activities in the Grose (ie. shoot a movie) you need permission from NPWS. Bet the film makers didn't say they were shooting some BASE action”- What about the Korean commercial that YOU and I worked on (and got paid for) that had a helicopter doing laps of the Grose filming it’s little heart out, not to mention churning out more Co2 and having a bigger afternoon tea budget than the entire production of Smitten. They didn’t have permission, why get on the attack here then?

What a hate fest Ado, you take such pride in being a community minded fella and yet it seemed you relished in twisting a dagger in Smittens side and trying to bring someone down. And sure you could have written your opinion, a little constructive criticism, but it could have been done in a much more objective, gracious, less anti-Ed way. Your high horse is more of a dumb, bludgeoning Sancho Panza mule.

Ed made Comin’ At Ya Hyper in 1997, there hasn’t been any Ozzy climbing films since. Ed decides to make Smitten and gets reamed out by cranks online, what a bummer. One dude making a movie as a hobby, with guys who do not by any means pretend to be actors. Why do you take such offence to that? At least there’s someone out there doing it. I could imagine if you were in it you’d think it was radder.

What do you want anyway? For every climbing film to conform to the same over hyped, homogenous climbing film formula? God, how painful that’d be.

If your willing to accept the idiosyncrasies then you might be able to see Smitten for the unique snap shot of Australian climbing in the naughties that it is. We wouldn’t have it if someone hadn’t gotten off their arse and done it at their own expense for the fun of it, despite the world full of evil online trawlers that were most likely composing their hate mail even before they’d seen the thing.

What an un-objective, unreflective slag-fest, ugly to witness man.

I would feel embarrassed with myself having written half of that, even if it was under an alias.

Christ, the forums do bring the weirdness in people out don’t they?!


F#ck F#ck F#ck F#ck F#ck
Duncan
30-Aug-2011
4:34:08 PM
I haven't seen the movie, but I do want to now.

Just being pedantic, wasn't EOS 2 made since 1997? Anyway, the teasers were all super-rad, I struggle to see how the movie could be all bad.

sliamese
30-Aug-2011
5:02:11 PM
couldnt agree more benny boy!

it seems odd to me to bring so much hate. someone made a movie, had a crack at doing a good job and gets slagged down for it. im stoked he didnt use the standard PFC US movie formula, cos apparently we're not in the US!

this talk of professionalism. i spose that entails slagging fests? how would one become a 'professional' climber of which you speak of, it it were not for movies like this??

i guess hater's always gonna hate. but i really look forward to your amazing film that'll show us all how its done!


so thanks Ed and all the crew for making what i think is rad movie! and for not taking the whole business too seriously!

simon :D
bl@ke
30-Aug-2011
6:39:56 PM
The swearing was awsome I think. Ben Cossey screaming like a psych ward patient then latching the jug "C#NT!"

Classic!

What happened to freedom??
J.C.
30-Aug-2011
7:15:21 PM
I won't pretend that Ed made the same movie I would have (nor did I when chatting with Ed during filming) but I still went to 2 premieres and bought the movie just to show support for the effort that everyone put in. I can't wait to hear all the slagging off when I bring my film out :)
simey
30-Aug-2011
11:30:07 PM
I can't believe some of you guys. Ado writes an honest critique and you start calling him a hater!

What bullshit! If you create a product for public consumption and charge dollars for it, then don't expect everyone to love it.

Rod Young copped it pretty heavily on Chockstone when he produced the latest Nowra guidebook. http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=15&MessageID=17510&Replies=137

The film Low Gravity (Low Quality) produced many years ago copped it pretty heavily too
http://www.chockstone.org/Media/Review.asp?Action=Show&BookID=255&LimitFormat=VD

I fail to see why Ed and team should be immune to criticism. Given the amount of hype prior to the release of the film, most people would expect a pretty slick production. I have yet to see the film, but if it looks more like amateur hour then expect to cop some shit.


Doug
31-Aug-2011
9:03:05 AM
On 30/08/2011 simey wrote:
>I can't believe some of you guys. Ado writes an honest critique and you
>start calling him a hater!

Telling it like it is. I'm with you, Simey. It's almost like there is a reverse snobbery happening here with the reactions we are seeing against the word "professional". Surely it's possible to make a film with an Australian flavour that has good production values.

Some of the climbing was jaw-dropping, but a lot of the other stuff was pretty much empty space. The bunny was well overcooked. My biggest disappointment though - especially given the title suggested we were going to see a film that reflected a passion for climbing - was the lack of a sense of why we do what we do. The film just seemed really bitsy to me, with no real sense of journey or sustained thread.

Having said that, it didn't cost that much to go to see a group of talented Australian athletes doing their thing: it just would have better to see more great climbing, reflected across a wider range of locales. Hopefully we'll see a step up in the next instalment.

nmonteith
31-Aug-2011
9:28:29 AM
A bit more variety would have been nice. I would have loved to see footage from some of the newer exotic areas in Tassie such as the Tydnalls and Star Factory, the new hard routes in Queensland at The Pulpit & Coolum Cave, some of Sick Nutters new caves near Muline, and closer to home the amazing hard stuff at Bungonia. Hard and interesting climbing doesn't just happen in the Blue Mountains.

The good Dr
31-Aug-2011
9:31:50 AM
On 31/08/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>Hard and interesting climbing doesn't just
>happen in the Blue Mountains.

Woah Neil, that is going a bit far isn't it. Softly, softly as you might bruise a few egos with that line.

Sabu
31-Aug-2011
9:41:30 AM
Judging by the recent reply in defence of the movie, some egos have already been bruised!

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