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wood fires at Arapiles
strerror
8/06/2011
1:27:58 PM
big +1.

ajfclark
8/06/2011
1:29:49 PM
You mean?
+1
bones
8/06/2011
2:03:51 PM
On 8/06/2011 crazyjohn wrote:
>>One final reason I am opposed to the ban.....Parks is apparently unable to enforce the current illegal practices
>of firewood gathering. How is forcing Parks to monitor even more illegal
>activities supposed to work? The assumption is that the users of the park
>will not want to break the new law. My question is why would they break
>one law and not the other? The obvious reason is that users are not aware
>that gathering wood is such a serious problem. Otherwise, if they are just
>careless criminals it would make no difference what laws you had. How will
>users be aware that the new ban is in place? BY PUTTING UP A BIG SIGN!
>Well, obviously, a big sign that tells users in no uncertain terms firewood
>gathering is illegal may work. Logically it has the same chance as putting
>up a big sign that bans fires!
>

I agree with ALMOST everything CJ has said, although I think it is easier to monitor a ban on fires than it is to monitor a ban on gathering firewood in the park.

nmonteith
8/06/2011
2:24:32 PM
Totally agree CrazyJohn.
simey
8/06/2011
4:31:37 PM
My sentiments exactly CJ. Well summarised.

Out of interest, was that written with or without the assistance of alcohol?

The Good Dr
8/06/2011
4:35:01 PM
That is an excellent summation and critical dissection of the proposed ban CJ.
One Day Hero
8/06/2011
10:06:44 PM
On 4/06/2011 Wollemi wrote:
>I don't understand much of the socialising at Arapiles. After doing two
>120+m climbs per day, I can barely cook after sorting the rack under torchlight
>and packing for the next day - don't you guys ever want to go to bed?
>
>What's with the out-of-tune guitar/banjo/ukelele twanging at 11pm - didn't
>you crank hard the day before?
>Who has time for a fire? Could you please just slump into your sleeping
>bag and write out/photograph notes from the guidebook as you drift off.
> Nice.

Well, I guess if you creep up routes at a rate comparable to tectonic drift then you have to choose between climbing and socialising.

Competent climbers, on the other hand; have the luxury of enjoying a leisurely breakfast, morning chat and ginning about, slowly getting the climbing shit ready over jaffles, hit the rock about 11, smash out 10-12 pitches, back at the tent with beer in hand by 5, long dinner, talk shit, chat up lady-climbers and play music round the fire till midnight, sleep 9 hrs, repeat..............

Thank god I'm not a useless, snail-paced, geriatric old coot. Sounds like you guys have no life at all!
simey
8/06/2011
10:17:19 PM
That is an excellent summation and critical dissection regarding those particular comments ODH.
simey
8/06/2011
10:26:33 PM
On 5/06/2011 Penny wrote:
>... Maybe we could all just find someone to cuddle when we can't have fires?

Well if we can truck in some women for cuddling, then I am all for it instead of trucking in firewood.

Miguel75
Online Now
8/06/2011
10:39:22 PM
On 8/06/2011 simey wrote:
>Well if we can truck in some women for cuddling, then I am all for it
>instead of trucking in firewood.

There seem to be a ton of spare bovines that need some TLC at present. We could organise for some to be shipped in for cuddles. As long as you don't get too attached they could then be spit-roasted on the mother of all campfires?
One Day Hero
8/06/2011
10:43:22 PM
You enjoy cuddling with the sort of women who get transported by truck? Spose they'll do a good job of keeping you warm.........as long as you have a forklift handy to get 'em into bed!!

ajfclark
8/06/2011
10:52:14 PM
They are the bed, just jump on and snuggle in to the folds.
One Day Hero
8/06/2011
11:00:18 PM
Hey, I just checked out Wollomi's profile sheet (to make sure I wasn't pissing off someone who's actually liable to hammer me in the head)

Anyway, amongst the 3 or so routes mentioned in his profile is Holy Guacamole (at Canberra crag Gibralter Peak). Even though this climb is only gr17 and 5m long, it is totally badarse and any interstaters who've travelled here and climbed it (in the proper style) are ok in my book.

So, Wollomi, I apologise to you for all the slagging off......once you've jumped for the jug, you may say whatever you please.
simey
8/06/2011
11:04:03 PM
It doesn't suit you when you are being nice to people ODH, particularly when you change the direction of the thread from cuddling up to women on cold nights to the merits of some shitty 5m route near Canberra.
One Day Hero
8/06/2011
11:14:24 PM
Nah, its really good!...........not quite good enough for the book, but its like a gr17 version of Slap Strafe Jerk. I jumped on it last week for the first time in ages, and was still packing shit (despite having been pitchforked into leading it 15yrs ago, on my 2nd w/e on rock!)

I'm just stoked that a N.S.W. sandstone climber has actually been to Gibralter!
Wendy
8/06/2011
11:48:22 PM
I didn't realise there was such a market for sex tourism at Arapiles, Simey. Have you mentioned it to the Tourism Vic people to enhance their report?

So, to everyone up in arms about increasing fire bans, there are some very very simple things you could all be doing to avoid any more changes.

1. Volunteer to produce new signage and plonk them in.

However, given that there was a family camped in the picnic area who had to walk right by the no camping sign to get from their car to their tent recently, it appears people are very good at ignoring signage. So you also have to utilise option 2.

2. Chuck a wobbly at people breaking regulations that threaten our continued peacable use of the park. Or at least engage them in polite and thoughtfall conversation about the topic.

3. Do as many people are at pains to point out they already do, and bring in your own wood and use the existing fire pits.

Really, collecting firewood in the park is not up for discussion. It is banned. It has been for about 15 years. This is not a discussion about sustainable firewood collection, fuel reduction or the like. It is about the continued breaking of the rules for fire management and care of the park by campers who are predominantly climbers. Show people that you are able to care for the park and there is no case to be made for increasing the regulation. Surely this is a win-win?

And the AAC do lots of good things for Arapiles too that everyone is taking advantage off - if you really care about the place, jump in and volunteer in some way. Tracy or Lou will always have ideas for things that need to be done.

But guys, should the ban be increased, there is always a positive side. Without other options to warm themselves up, the girls may be easier to convince of the charms of your cuddles.
simey
9/06/2011
1:35:29 AM
On 8/06/2011 Wendy wrote:
>Show people that you are able to care for the park and there is no case to be made for increasing the regulation.

In my opinion the vast majority of people do care for the park. It hasn't really been proven that there is a case for increasing the regulation. There is a guilt-tripping exercise being manifested in the name of the environment which I find pretty off-putting.

Anti-campfire proponents such as yourself Wendy are describing isolated incidents as though every second climber at Mt Arapiles is doing the wrong thing. We are getting lectured simply because we are defending the idea of having a fire during the colder months of the year.

There are far more people doing the right thing at Arapiles. The park is looking better than ever. Therefore why is this regulation being recommended?

Wendy
9/06/2011
3:55:34 AM
On 9/06/2011 simey wrote:
>On 8/06/2011 Wendy wrote:
>>Show people that you are able to care for the park and there is no case
>to be made for increasing the regulation.
>
>In my opinion the vast majority of people do care for the park. It hasn't
>really been proven that there is a case for increasing the regulation.
>There is a guilt-tripping exercise being manifested in the name of the
>environment which I find pretty off-putting.
>
>Anti-campfire proponents such as yourself Wendy are describing isolated
>incidents as though every second climber at Mt Arapiles is doing the wrong
>thing. We are getting lectured simply because we are defending the idea
>of having a fire during the colder months of the year.
>
>There are far more people doing the right thing at Arapiles. The park
>is looking better than ever. Therefore why is this regulation being recommended?
>
>

The park is looking better than ever. But then again, it had a lot of improving to do. And whilst there are people doing the right thing, a few people admitting they did the wrong thing because they didn't know, I suspect no one is owning up to not doing so in full awareness of their actions because they are the ones most open to criticism and/or they feel like dickheads and/or they aren't reading Chockstone. Whereas I do know that there a myriad extra fire places that have been improvised around the mount, that I dismantle them and more appear. And I don't think I'm the only person to dismantle them. I put logs over detours around the track, and people move them out of the way so they can keep driving around them. I constantly find piles of loo paper around the crag and the campsite. I regularly see people camping outside of the camp boundaries. Rubbish around the place. It's quite obvious that many people are actually NOT doing the right thing, and the collection of firewood in the park is only one part of the problem. But whilst there are so many issues, where do you start? This one has come up. I don't have a problem with the action being suggested and really, these are natural consequences .... they could have been predicted and now they are proposed. I expect you are welcome to come up with a new proposal and present it to PV as an alternative. Why don't you? Collect your evidence to back up your view and see where it goes.
simey
9/06/2011
9:02:56 AM
Once again you have taken a range of isolated incidents and blown them out of proportion, both in terms of their extent and their impact on the park. What is this trend of environmentalists using a doomsday approach to promote their agenda?


tnd
9/06/2011
9:04:41 AM
On 8/06/2011 One Day Hero wrote:
>...Thank god I'm not a useless, snail-paced, geriatric old coot....

However, the recently posted video reveals you to be a four-eyed, bucket-hat wearing nerd and explains why you over compensate so much with your aggressive verbiage.

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