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wood fires at Arapiles
johnpitcairn
30/04/2014
12:34:55 PM
Free is always good. We'll likely be in the Gums.

Made contact with the guy in Horsham and will go grab a bootload Sunday evening. I'll talk to him about whether he'd like a notice up at the campground.

Doug
30/04/2014
4:10:14 PM
On 30/04/2014 ajfclark wrote:
>I had to do it twice before it came up. PMed the result.

Everyone bags Safari but it came up for me first time ... :-)

ajfclark
30/04/2014
5:33:10 PM
That might've been my poor typing...
johnpitcairn
13/05/2014
9:51:13 AM
We got a bootload of box and red gum firewood for $30 from the Horsham seller, who was excellent to deal with. We still had a night or two left over after a week (that Falcon boot is huge). He will deliver a trailer load to the campsite, but wasn't keen to advertise there - given the general reliability and cheapness of your average climber I can sympathise.

We saw more than one obviously guided school/adventure/uni group turn up and start scavenging firewood from the surrounding area. If it was my home turf I'd speak to them - but what good is a rule that offers no alternatives, has zero enforcement and is ignored by organised groups?

IdratherbeclimbingM9
13/05/2014
9:57:44 AM
On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
>We got a bootload of box and red gum firewood for $30 from the Horsham
>seller, who was excellent to deal with.
>(snip)
>We saw more than one obviously guided school/adventure/uni group turn
>up and start scavenging firewood from the surrounding area. If it was my
>home turf I'd speak to them - but what good is a rule that offers no alternatives,
>has zero enforcement and is ignored by organised groups?

If you remember the organisations then maybe a polite email to them, noting the issue/s and suggesting they do what you did would help?
martym
13/05/2014
10:44:58 AM
On 13/05/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
>>We got a bootload of box and red gum firewood for $30 from the Horsham
>>seller, who was excellent to deal with.
>>(snip)
>>We saw more than one obviously guided school/adventure/uni group turn
>>up and start scavenging firewood from the surrounding area. If it was
>my
>>home turf I'd speak to them - but what good is a rule that offers no
>alternatives,
>>has zero enforcement and is ignored by organised groups?
>
>If you remember the organisations then maybe a polite email to them, noting
>the issue/s and suggesting they do what you did would help?
>☺

If School groups do the wrong thing - what hope is there?
That's the next generation of campers out there doing the wrong thing...

The other day I was with my little girl in the park, and a couple of young kids were picking all the bottle brushes off a tree. I told them that flowers are food for bees, and that they can't eat when it's been picked.
They seemed to understand and seemed to actually get it...

Maybe demonstrating to the kids doing the scavanging that there are insects & plants living on fallen branches will help them appreciate it - or at least freak them out of touching wood with spiders and ants inside...
johnpitcairn
13/05/2014
11:26:45 AM
I don't know who they were, possibly a christian outfit if the campfire songs are indicative. I was tempted to talk to their leader, but I'm from NZ - who am I to go telling Australians off in their own country?

shortman
13/05/2014
11:52:52 AM
On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
>I don't know who they were, possibly a christian outfit if the campfire
>songs are indicative. I was tempted to talk to their leader, but I'm from
>NZ - who am I to go telling Australians off in their own country?

A man from NZ?

f--- the order of things - do what you know is right!

Duang Daunk
13/05/2014
12:24:41 PM
On 13/05/2014 shortman wrote:
>On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
>>I don't know who they were, possibly a christian outfit if the campfire
>>songs are indicative. I was tempted to talk to their leader, but I'm
>from
>>NZ - who am I to go telling Australians off in their own country?
>
>A man from NZ?
>
>f--- the order of things - do what you know is right!

Yeh, but just be careful to wipe your fingerprints off the hammer afterwards.

I didn't know kum ba yar means gather wood here. Fancy that, you learn something new every day.

Eduardo Slabofvic
13/05/2014
1:04:41 PM
On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
> christian outfit

Gee whizz, christians doing what ever they feel like, who'd of thought.

Miguel75
13/05/2014
4:20:33 PM
On 13/05/2014 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:
>On 13/05/2014 johnpitcairn wrote:
>> christian outfit
>
>Gee whizz, christians doing what ever they feel like, who'd of thought.

Damn Christians, not even firewood is safe from their meddling ways...
kieranl
13/05/2014
4:40:27 PM
On 13/05/2014 Miguel75 wrote:
>
>Damn Christians, not even firewood is safe from their meddling ways...
>
I suppose they always have to be ready; never know when they might come across a witch who needs burning.
Reluctant
13/05/2014
6:04:21 PM
Having a few days ago bush bashed and hiked for a few hours round the park 2 things became apparent.
1. Around the pines has been well cleared of ground wood.
2. Other parts of the park are a bomb waiting to go off. The fuel load on ground is high. More than what I had over the back fence at kinglake.
There has to be a middle ground in wood collection. Some parks used to do "within 5m of roads". Perhaps pockets of the golf course could be rotated
Fiona
18/05/2014
2:38:01 PM
At Arapiles this weekend, a major University group was using their Uni Ute to gather firewood from the park. But I'm not complaining about that.
A group in the lower gums campground broke down some small dead trees next to their tents and lit a fire. But I'm not complaining about that either.
I am however annoyed that we had to go and put out a campfire that was left unattended on Saturday night and which re-ignited. Nothing that a bucket of water didn't fix, but that is not the point.
A reminder that the gums campground is still tinder dry, and will go up if given the opportunity. Put your fires out!
Wendy
19/05/2014
6:53:04 PM
On 18/05/2014 Fiona wrote:
>At Arapiles this weekend, a major University group was using their Uni
>Ute to gather firewood from the park. But I'm not complaining about that.
>A group in the lower gums campground broke down some small dead trees
>next to their tents and lit a fire. But I'm not complaining about that
>either.
>I am however annoyed that we had to go and put out a campfire that was
>left unattended on Saturday night and which re-ignited. Nothing that a
>bucket of water didn't fix, but that is not the point.
>A reminder that the gums campground is still tinder dry, and will go up
>if given the opportunity. Put your fires out!
>

I'd complain about all of that really.

And I reckon arguing that firewood collection reduces fire risk is akin to the cows reduce fire risk in the alps argument.

Ben_E
19/05/2014
10:09:48 PM
Probably not quite as gloriously silly as the alpine cows argument (mind you - have you ever tried setting fire to a whole cow? It's remarkably difficult to get them to take...), but in all likelihood any fire that gets up into the scrub and gullies at Araps is going to get to burn itself out irrespective of any firewood collection policy.

I'd like Reluctant's middle ground argument on firewood collection if it wasn't for the F@*#wit Factor. On a semi-recent trip to Araps I overheard a gent from S.A. boasting that he and some sidekicks had used their car to drag a hollow log out along the bottom road somewhere. Apparently after they threw the whole thing onto the fire critters went scurrying off in every direction, which he found highly amusing. The thought of giving these people any more encouragement in their pyrotechnics doesn't do much for me.

If campfires are allowed there is always going to be some contraband wood collection going on, realistically. Even up at Buffalo where wood is available to buy you see plenty of people on the prowl.

gnaguts
20/05/2014
11:24:49 AM
Prowlers at Buffalo? My God they are everywhere now! Got to keep an eye out for them, or next they will be herding up the boulderers to make fire pits out of them.

Climboholic
21/05/2014
3:34:11 PM
On 18/05/2014 Fiona wrote:
>At Arapiles this weekend, a major University group was using their Uni
>Ute to gather firewood from the park. But I'm not complaining about that.
>A group in the lower gums campground broke down some small dead trees
>next to their tents and lit a fire. But I'm not complaining about that
>either.
>I am however annoyed that we had to go and put out a campfire that was
>left unattended on Saturday night and which re-ignited. Nothing that a
>bucket of water didn't fix, but that is not the point.
>A reminder that the gums campground is still tinder dry, and will go up
>if given the opportunity. Put your fires out!
>

I'd be more concerned about the first two points than the last. A campfire in a proper fireplace isn't going to spontaneously start a bushfire because it's left alone. If the fire danger is that high then you shouldn't have a campfire to start with and if an ember does land in a tree and catch, there would be nothing you could do about it .

If you're going around pouring water on people's campfires when they aren't watching, then I think you'll find they are the ones who are annoyed.
kieranl
21/05/2014
5:26:54 PM
On 21/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>On 18/05/2014 Fiona wrote:
>>At Arapiles this weekend, a major University group was using their Uni
>>Ute to gather firewood from the park. But I'm not complaining about that.
>>A group in the lower gums campground broke down some small dead trees
>>next to their tents and lit a fire. But I'm not complaining about that
>>either.
>>I am however annoyed that we had to go and put out a campfire that was
>>left unattended on Saturday night and which re-ignited. Nothing that
>a
>>bucket of water didn't fix, but that is not the point.
>>A reminder that the gums campground is still tinder dry, and will go
>up
>>if given the opportunity. Put your fires out!
>>
>
>I'd be more concerned about the first two points than the last. A campfire
>in a proper fireplace isn't going to spontaneously start a bushfire because
>it's left alone. If the fire danger is that high then you shouldn't have
>a campfire to start with and if an ember does land in a tree and catch,
>there would be nothing you could do about it .
>
>If you're going around pouring water on people's campfires when they aren't
>watching, then I think you'll find they are the ones who are annoyed.

Got to pull you up on that one because it's a classic example of the muddled thinking people have on this.
It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper fireplace or not. There's a good reason for this - it doesn't take much of a gust of wind to blow raise some sparks and blow them a few metres into grass. And the pines is noted for being a fairly breezy place, especially in the colder months when fires are permitted.
People exercise poor judgement about fires all the time and I cannot see why you would be excusing them. If you leave a fire burning unattended a soggy fireplace is a low price to pay.
Stingray4100
21/05/2014
5:58:05 PM
Yeah - I had the watering can. If you consider a freshly dug hole about an inch deep in the middle of a number of dry gum trees with their associated leaf litter a 'proper fireplace' then maybe I was wrong, but I don't think so.

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