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Herald Sun quoting Chockstone

Nich

2-Jan-2004
10:51:34 AM

Dunno if anyone else picked this up, but that bastion of quality journalism, the Herald Sun (1/1/04, P.2), are now quoting postings off chockstone, word for word. Admittedly, I only noticed because it was my post from a few weeks back on Mt Cook.

JohnK

3-Jan-2004
1:05:40 PM

Hey Nich,
I read that article on the New Years Day edition of the Herald Sun whilst recovering fron NYE at Southbank. The least they could have done is quoted directly from your thread and then made reference to the chockstone.org website. Interesting to see that some journos are "trying" to do research by surfing the web!

kieranl

4-Jan-2004
10:53:10 PM

I don't read the Hun, so I haven't seen the article, but it sounds like plagarism to me. A reproduction without attribution for commercial purposes is plagarism
Whether it is a web-site, book or journal article makes no difference.
Nich, could you could you send me a copy of your post along with the forum, date and time of the post?
Noddy will know more about this than me so I will pass this on to him and see what we can find out.
Kieran.

shiltz

5-Jan-2004
7:59:13 AM

At very least it would make a good story for Media Watch...

climbingjac

5-Jan-2004
1:32:36 PM

Hi Kieran,

That's really nice of you to check up on the plagarism thing for Nich :-)

Cheers
jac

Rupert

5-Jan-2004
4:32:17 PM

The article is still online at:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8294599%255E661,00.html
it may not be there for much longer cause its in the 'what happened in the last week' category. I have saved the web page to my hard drive - if you need it.
Rupert

alrob

5-Jan-2004
5:05:59 PM

yeah the link works. interesting tho, that they refer to

"Notes posted on Australian climbing chat-rooms warned climbers about tackling the NZ peaks over summer."

kieranl

6-Jan-2004
11:22:12 PM

I checked out the article from the link that Rupert supplied and I have to say that it is legitimate news comment. They've quoted paragraphs from different people with attribution to "Australian climbing chat-rooms". It's fair comment and not plagiarism.
The problem is that they've missed the real point : three of the four people killed were extremely experienced guides. The Hun article implied that people died because they were inexperienced. That is patently wrong. Three guides and one client died.
Unfortunately, there's not much we can do about it now. It's a small blip in the news system that has passed

Nich

7-Jan-2004
8:01:33 PM

Hi Kieran
Personally, I don't give a toss what the HSun reports - but I thought it would've been nice to attribute it to Chockstone at least. What pissed me though was that my comments on NZ conditions were a personal observation of the general conditions of the area and they used it to say it was an almost specific warning on the North Shoulder of Tasman. I've been on the North shoulder of Tasman and anyone else who has would know that it is a knife edge. I've never felt so much exposure as I felt there. Putting such a general comment in such a tragic story is weak journalism. Knowing some of those who died added to my disappointment. They were far more experienced then I am and I would walk proudly in their footsteps before I pretended to know better then them.
I console myself with the thought that these journalists will lead dull, uninteresting lives and will be remembered for nothing.
Many thanks for offering to follow this through. Climb on
NB

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