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Self-locking belay devices - grigri vs cinch

skink
30/09/2007
8:36:14 PM
I am considering getting a grigri, mainly to use while bolting routes (to rap down and to ascend in conjunction with an ascender). But I don't like that it is specified only for use on 10 to 11mm ropes.

So I was considering the Trango Cinch as an alternative - it is rated down to 9.4mm ropes and is lighter and cheaper. Also claims to have a more dynamic 'catch'.

But I have never seen anyone using one. Anyone out there in Chockstone land have first hand experience of using the cinch (or heard anyone elses experience)?

muki
1/10/2007
12:28:15 AM
I use my Gri Gri on ropes as small as 9.2 with no problems, but if the Cinch is lighter and cheaper......
Personally I would use whatever does the best job regardles of cost, I am able to give a dynamic belay
with whatever device I am using! as a belayer I have never used a cinch, or seen one used in all the time
I've been at the cliffs, I think monty has been using one, or has one, but when I saw him a while ago, he
was using a Gri Gri!
dave
1/10/2007
12:41:40 AM
Heres a bit of feedback from when they first came out:

http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=6&MessageID=988&Replies=1

nmonteith
1/10/2007
9:58:29 AM
Gri Gri - good all round device, but can fail on slippery new 9.5mm ropes, especially when the gri gri is
older (ie cam get sworn). Best absieler and great for ascending.

Cinch - very light and portable, but shit to absiel on on and shit to ascend with. Only get one of these if
you want a lightwieght self-locking belay device that is only used for belaying.

Edelrid Eddy - very heavy, very bomber. I have one of these and its great on small diameter ropes,
belaying and absieling (larger diameter ropes is a problem for absieling though, it tends to lock up a
lot). The Eddy is very heavy though, and is not a great option if you do lots of mulitpitch routes.

Faders Sum - possibly the best all rounder. Not sure how well its works as an ascender though, but its
a dream on small ropes and for belaying. Light and simple to use as well.

dougal
1/10/2007
2:24:53 PM
Whens that new grigri supposed to be out?
james
1/10/2007
11:56:43 PM
Cinchs are fine for ascending (used in combination with a jumar), no different to a gri gri for ascending.

Gri-gris are a little better for rapping, but I still prefer my Cinch (to the extent i sold my grigri), pretty much for all the reasons Adski mentioned in the other older linked thread.

the Faders sum feels significantly bigger & heavier than a Cinch...

Hawkman
2/10/2007
8:09:22 AM
The Cinch is sooo terrible for rappelling and or lowering a climber when they fall into space i dont use mine anymore. the handle is just to small.

Ive got a Sum now which is still great for thin ropes, ascends really well and lowers and rappels effortlessly.


jj
2/10/2007
9:07:39 AM
The Sum is the ticket, never locks up like the Cinch and can handle smaller ropes. Not as good to Rap on like the Gri Gri, but no big deal =)

Been using one for over 1 year now, awesome!

JJ

vwills
2/10/2007
9:44:14 AM
Have Cinch. WOuldnt recommend it. Cant stop-start abseil on it without an epic. Need prussik or jumar to unweight cinch to recommence abseil in worst cases eg overhanging routes. Similarly belaying anyone heavier than myself, which is most people, on an overhung route means I end up in the air and have trouble lowering to the ground (ie we are both suspended mid air).

I have used a Sum, Eddy and Grigri but am most familiar with the Gri Gri. I reckon for bolting the Grigri works the best.

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