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Manufacturer's release schedules


Zarb

11-Nov-2014
7:03:12 PM

Greetings,

I'm just curious as to what the normal release schedule is for new gear from manufacturers? Just say I saw some shiny new Black Diamond gear on display at the American Outdoor Retailer Summer 2014, is there an accepted time of year that brands generally make this new line of products available to the public?

leeman

11-Nov-2014
7:19:07 PM

Whatever the time, Australia wont get it for 6-12 months after release in US. And for twice the price


phillipivan

11-Nov-2014
8:11:05 PM

I believe DMM have a policy of announcing products as being 'available imminently' years before they have a working prototype.

TimP

11-Nov-2014
8:37:20 PM

I saw DMM had some strange new gear launched at an outdoor trade show in Germany in July. They are still not on their website as part of their product range.
The two that interested me where a pivoting guide type belay device called pivot and another self locking hinged belay device called grip.
http://dmmclimbing.com/news/2014/07/new-products-outdoor-friedrichshafen-2014/


Zarb

11-Nov-2014
8:47:34 PM

On 11/11/2014 leeman wrote:
>Whatever the time, Australia wont get it for 6-12 months after release
>in US. And for twice the price

Oh I don't plan on buying it from here. Most definitely getting it from one of my frequented OS online climbing stores. It starts with "G" and ends with "ear Express".

One of the cool doodads is the Black Diamond Pipe Dream crag pack. There is no mention of a release date anywhere unfortunately :( My IKEA tote bag is in need of retirement.


phillipivan

11-Nov-2014
9:08:07 PM

And the 'chicane' belay device that was on their website has mysteriously disappeared without ever seeing a shop front.

Alternatively I saw new Grivel products for sale in their home town of Chamonix which aren't on their website, and haven't been announced. Given the extremely esoteric and expensive nature of some of them (carbon fibre handled piton hammer for instance) I wondered if they have a history of making limited run products which are only available locally.

Jim Titt

12-Nov-2014
5:42:41 AM

The DMM Grip is in no way self-locking, it just gives more braking power.
The Chicane was withdrawn at production as it twisted certain makes of thin ropes (twin/ice lines) when abseiling, so much that it could have been dangerous in extreme situations such as an Alpine retreat.
Plenty of products don´t make it past being displayed at the trade shows, someone complains about a patent breach, unforseen problems with production or just no interest from the retail part of the industry.


phillipivan

12-Nov-2014
1:43:12 PM

Thanks for the explanation Jim.

Seth

14-Nov-2014
12:30:26 PM

BD products aren't twice the price as the US. The Pipe Dream definitely won't be,

Australia very very rarely receives new BD gear months after the US. In fact for quite a few things we have received it earlier.

There is an Australian release date scheduled for the Pipe Dream, however it looks like you're going to have to keep your eye on Gear Express to find out...

Cheers,
Seth

peteclimbs

14-Nov-2014
12:56:03 PM

On 14/11/2014 Seth wrote:
>BD products aren't twice the price as the US. The Pipe Dream definitely
>won't be,
>
>Australia very very rarely receives new BD gear months after the US. In
>fact for quite a few things we have received it earlier.

Sure, perhaps leeman was exaggerating for emphasis ;) but the vast majority of new climbing gear that I've seen released from BD is available sooner and more cheaply in the US, X4 cams being a recent example.

Seth

14-Nov-2014
3:44:15 PM

True on X4s, however X4s were an anomaly, not a vast majority, and in that instance, the major issue was actually re-supply after the initial drop into Australia as global demand exceeded BD's forecasts. For Black Diamond Australia is on the same product delivery time line as the rest of the world.

Incidentally, BD X4 cams on BD's site are $69.95 USD (AU$80.51 with todays exchange rate), a quick google search of a couple of well known Australian climbing sites you'll find them for $80-85 AUD.

cheers,
seth


Zarb

14-Nov-2014
4:46:49 PM

Ah but how often is hardware in Australia on sale? I'm always keen to buy from my local shop, but their range is quite limited and expensive. And I am quite the poor uni student.


phillipivan

14-Nov-2014
5:40:39 PM

Zarb, just wait till another chockstoner decides to get married, have kids, move house or that trad climbing is just too scary.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

14-Nov-2014
8:03:22 PM

On 14/11/2014 phillipivan wrote:
>Zarb, just wait till another chockstoner decides to get married, have kids,
>move house or that trad climbing is just too scary.

Hmm.
3, maybe 3½ out of 4.
What are you about to sell?
Heh, heh, heh.

Jim Titt

14-Nov-2014
10:35:36 PM

>On 14/11/2014 Seth wrote:
>Sure, perhaps leeman was exaggerating for emphasis ;) but the vast majority
>of new climbing gear that I've seen released from BD is available sooner
>and more cheaply in the US, X4 cams being a recent example.

Well blame your government, a medium sized shipment of hardware to Australia will cost around 33% more due to Duty, GST and freight costs.


Big G

14-Nov-2014
10:43:57 PM

Cost is one thing, range is another. I've just moved to Canberra and thought this hub of trad climbing would be the place to add to my rack but after visiting 4 outdoor shops I don't think ($'s aside) you could buy a worthwhile rack off the shelf. And don't get me started on climbing shoe sizes. Just one quote to leave you with: "that model is not made in those sizes" "that's funny because I own a pair in that size...bought in the uk".

I'd love to buy local but mostly local stores are pants

Estey

15-Nov-2014
8:54:42 AM

On 14/11/2014 Big G wrote:
>Cost is one thing, range is another. I've just moved to Canberra and thought
>this hub of trad climbing would be the place to add to my rack but after
>visiting 4 outdoor shops I don't think ($'s aside) you could buy a worthwhile
>rack off the shelf. And don't get me started on climbing shoe sizes. Just
>one quote to leave you with: "that model is not made in those sizes" "that's
>funny because I own a pair in that size...bought in the uk".
>
>I'd love to buy local but mostly local stores are pants

Try Mont.


phillipivan

15-Nov-2014
9:19:32 AM

What do you want?

Edit: Anyway it's more like 2.5/4 trending towards 4/4

Further edit: What you didn't see is the expensive audio equipment I did sell. Including an old, M9 old, ribbon microphone of BBC design that I was deeply fond of but rarely had occasion to use. It was a Standard Telephones and Cables Model 4038 and it sounded great. I still have a lovely soviet era Russian valve microphone though.

True testament to the incredible design of the 4038 is that it is still being manufactured today, by Coles Electroacoustics.


spiinal

15-Nov-2014
4:48:27 PM

On 15/11/2014 phillipivan wrote:
>What do you want?

Your record collection.


phillipivan

15-Nov-2014
5:09:35 PM

All of it?

How about I just give you my New Kids on The Block and Bronski Beat 12" singles.

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