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QUT and affiliates sued for $8m Kangaroo Point 24-May-2017 At 2:45:31 PM IdratherbeclimbingM9

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>'the end of pitch conversation'

Hmm.
At the risk of being contentious I think it may go hand in hand with dumbing down climbs by overbolting them!

Trad climbing, particularly multi-pitch, is where the 'safe' = 'take me off belay' terminology comes from. It facilitates efficiency in that setting because both leader and belayer/now-seconder can get on with doing the tasks required.

Pitches used to be more than half rope-length so lowering off was not an issue to be considered other than self-rescue if the leader/seconder had a mishap.

The climbing game has/is changing and the associated lexicon is being misconstrued along the way!

For single pitch trad of more than half rope-length abseiling back down was often normal and people developed habitual self checking routines to minimise complacency stuff ups...

I can see where rightarmbad is coming from and I shudder somewhat if ODH blindly trusts not being toasted if he has sidelined self checking procedures along the way; although it may not be a particular problem if he's mostly monogamous with climbing partners which often develops great rapport & efficiency, unlike a club scene where partners are changing all the time.

Heaven help us if the modern generation develop a new lexicon for their current style of climbing, ... and then take up multipitch trad!

PS Without checking, I'm pretty sure that the leader/belayer conversation thing has come up on Chockstone before.