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Top ten BASE jump fails - Base Jump acco's vid...

IdratherbeclimbingM9
23-Oct-2014
4:38:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ND125CLqGOc


Re the 'detailed' embed code I copied...
"Invalid or Suspicious Input Detected. Press BACK on your browser."
~> wtf?
~>~> embedding vids doesn't seem to be my thing.


ajfclark
23-Oct-2014
4:47:37 PM
When you embed, you need to open the options and select 'use old embed code' down the bottom. The code should start with an object not an i frame (can't even say i frame as one word).

[Edit: embedding removed ]

ajfclark
23-Oct-2014
4:55:19 PM
Oh, there's at least one death in that video BTW.

phillipivan
23-Oct-2014
5:05:28 PM
Despite what the video says. In fact its hard to believe it would be only one...

bigchris
23-Oct-2014
5:23:56 PM
I reckon there is about 6. Believe it or not, the guy who fell into the snow lived to tell the tale...

E. Wells
23-Oct-2014
5:31:50 PM
I saw this a week ago and before I watched I recognized that they say 'in the MAKING of this...' considering its a compilation of others films it is very unlikely that anyone died during the making and I expect half of these people did perish. One looks a touch fake where a lady disappears in a blurry rainbow?! Its a bit voyeuristic...

nmonteith
23-Oct-2014
10:12:57 PM
Yuck. I got a few clips in and realized I was watching a video of an actual BASE death I saw in real life. I did not like this video.
kieranl
23-Oct-2014
10:41:38 PM
On 23/10/2014 nmonteith wrote:
>Yuck. I got a few clips in and realized I was watching a video of an actual
>BASE death I saw in real life. I did not like this video.
Yes, I agree. Can we delete the links to this video? It's pretty sick.
simey
23-Oct-2014
11:02:37 PM
I don't really have a problem with this video given that base jumpers love to post footage of successful jumps which have a tendency to glamorise the activity. I think those clips should be tempered with the harsh reality of what happens all too frequently.

rodw
24-Oct-2014
9:28:08 AM
I'm with simey on this one, yeah pretty confronting but thats the reality of base jumping

nmonteith
24-Oct-2014
9:49:51 PM
We also 'glamorise' climbing and it's dangers. Doesn't mean it is appropriate to post a video of our mates being killed doing it. Its like one of those horrible 'faces of death' videos that uses to do then underground video market before the internet. Do you think the friends and family of the people killed in this video would like it being used as light 'entertainment'?

Sabu
24-Oct-2014
10:02:49 PM
On 24/10/2014 nmonteith wrote:
>We also 'glamorise' climbing and it's dangers. Doesn't mean it is appropriate
>to post a video of our mates being killed doing it.

I agree with this. I'm sure few / if any of us would be comfortable with a climbing equivalent video on here.

rodw
25-Oct-2014
12:01:55 AM
Its been removed anyway so what you arguing about?
Ithomas
25-Oct-2014
8:22:35 AM
What are people arguing about or discussing? A point. A principle. A notion. An idea. A concept. Even though the video has been removed the implications remain. They deserve further argument. Nothing to get grumpy about.
simey
27-Oct-2014
9:12:16 AM
On 24/10/2014 nmonteith wrote:
>We also 'glamorise' climbing and it's dangers. Doesn't mean it is appropriate
>to post a video of our mates being killed doing it. Do you think the friends and family of the
>people killed in this video would like it being used as light 'entertainment'?

I don't have a problem with a video that shows people getting killed or seriously injured in climbing, particularly whilst pursuing dubiously dangerous past times like head-pointing or soloing near your limit. I really feel that the glamorisation of people pursuing activities very close to the edge (which we are exposed to all the time) needs to be balanced by the harsh realities if they don't get it right.

We have drink driving campaigns and smoking campaigns that use gruesome imagery to shock people into reconsidering their actions, so what is wrong with us being subject to such imagery in climbing and base jumping? (Even when it is real life footage).

I'm a little cynical of a lot of base jumping and wing-suiting hype. Unlike most sports where you learn from your mistakes, base-jumping rarely allows this, so a video showing just how quickly things can go wrong has its place.


nmonteith
27-Oct-2014
11:08:43 AM
On 27/10/2014 simey wrote:
>I don't have a problem with a video that shows people getting killed or
>seriously injured in climbing,

So you would be happy for a video of Dennis Kemp being killed at Araps going viral and being posted as entertainment in a "top ten climbing fail" montage? With a graphic at the front of the video stating no-one got killed? You watch this video as an outsider who hasn't been near one of these accidents and experienced the trauma. I have. It made me sick watching the girl fall off El Cap as I saw it happen in real life.

>We have drink driving campaigns and smoking campaigns that use gruesome
>imagery to shock people into reconsidering their actions, so what is wrong
>with us being subject to such imagery in climbing and base jumping? (Even
>when it is real life footage).

Having worked on these campaigns myself I can assure you that the family agreed to the use of any footage used in the commercial - and that 99% of it is manufactured fake footage of crashes/blood/death.

>I'm a little cynical of a lot of base jumping and wing-suiting hype. Unlike
>most sports where you learn from your mistakes, base-jumping rarely allows
>this, so a video showing just how quickly things can go wrong has its place.

I understand a video being created as an educational warning. But this video was made for light entertainment.

Doug
27-Oct-2014
11:50:49 AM
Curious, I thought I'd have a look. Couldn't see any good reason continuing to watch after about the second obvious death. The caption about no-one being killed is clearly misleading: they mightn't have killed anyone putting together the compilation I suppose, but it seems that someone has had some sort of sick pleasure linking the footage.

How is this "top ten" anything? Unfortunately, it appears I am in a (sizeable) minority in my POV as there are more "likes" than "dislikes". As Neil says, it appears to have been made for "light(?) entertainment", not as an educational video.
simey
27-Oct-2014
12:57:31 PM
We constantly watch people risk life and limb as 'light entertainment'. I just feel that if you want to play the game of risking life and limb, as well as filming it to show to others, then be prepared for people to see the downside if you get it wrong.

I suppose those of you who disagree with the video being posted must be in favour of banning The Darwin Awards too, because that is simply light entertainment and doesn't respect those who died, nor the families of those folk either.


Sabu
27-Oct-2014
1:32:49 PM
There is something different about watching a close call, injury or risky situation versus the last moments of someone's life.

Hence, the only objection I have to this video is that it clearly states no one was hurt/killed yet that's obviously not the case. Through this false statement it effectively tricks people into watching something they may not want to see or be prepared to see. There's nothing particularly wrong with the content (although confronting for some) rather the way it's presented. If the title was accurate it wouldn't an issue as one has the opportunity to decide "do I want to watch this?"

On 27/10/2014 simey wrote:
>We constantly watch people risk life and limb as 'light entertainment'.
>I just feel that if you want to play the game of risking life and limb,
>as well as filming it to show to others, then be prepared for people to
>see the downside if you get it wrong.

I agree and I don't take issue with the footage being available but people also need the chance to make a somewhat informed decision about whether to watch or not. That's why certain content is limited (to account holders, ages etc) or carries a warning, just like on TV or sites like liveleak.

nmonteith
27-Oct-2014
1:38:57 PM
Exactly my thoughts Sabu. I would never have watched it if I knew it was a montage of people being killed. I believed the intro graphic until I recognized the fall I saw in real life.

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