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Advice on bolting Frog Buttress

E. Wells
8-Oct-2020
4:24:44 PM
Hey a future good friend of mine is seeking advice over on thecrag

To bolt or not...

Yipyah- I’ve finally toproped the arete left of ‘Catcher in the Rye’ Called it ‘Clench’ for reasons obvious when on it. Really sustained set of classic Frog arete moves. Very hard for an old fella to judge but 26ish? (Well harder than Inhibition but easier than Catcher in the Rye! Before I bolt it I’d like to hear the communities ideas. The route is not at all contrived but shares its right side with the lower left side of CITR. Bolts would have to be left of the arete to be out of sight and mind if on CITR. No more carrots, I promise, state of the art only. National park though... All thoughts welcome!

Duang Daunk
9-Oct-2020
2:14:03 PM
On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Hey a future good friend of mine is seeking advice over on thecrag
>
>To bolt or not...
>
>Yipyah- I’ve finally toproped the arete left of ‘Catcher in the Rye’ Called
>it ‘Clench’ for reasons obvious when on it. Really sustained set of classic
>Frog arete moves. Very hard for an old fella to judge but 26ish? (Well
>harder than Inhibition but easier than Catcher in the Rye! Before I bolt
>it I’d like to hear the communities ideas. The route is not at all contrived
>but shares its right side with the lower left side of CITR. Bolts would
>have to be left of the arete to be out of sight and mind if on CITR. No
>more carrots, I promise, state of the art only. National park though...
>All thoughts welcome!

Since when have Qldrs ever sought Vic opinions bro?
What happened to the traditional State rivalry?
... but since you’re asking and want a Vic flavour on it - and also because it’s a NP, it’s really not worth doing unless there is a significant site or something else of cultural value involved.

Take for example how we are right up there with Rio Tinto when it comes to developing sites! Those pesky West Australian caves that got demolished weren’t in the same climbing calibre as Taipan Wall!

Maybe Qld should use a local comparison and your future friend develop the climb in similar flavour of Kangaroo Points’s development, after all, there be plenty of common ground in Qld sentiment with Fauci and the w.h.o dictatorship for moral support.
TimP
10-Oct-2020
8:53:42 AM
I dunno, what's wrong with just top-roping it?
Speaking as a top-rope artiste...
capt_planit
11-Oct-2020
9:53:25 AM
Second this. Routinely TR Solo past bolts. Why mar the rock for a 10m route? When in doubt, leave it as is. Or put in a nice TR /rap anchor if you must drill baby drill.
rightarmbad
17-Oct-2020
11:34:36 PM
Crack climbing paradise, doesn't need any more face routes.
You could put a face rote between almost every crack climb, but why would you be stupid enough to do it.
There is enough face climbs out there now.
When you have climbed every route out there then reconsider your proposed action.
f_abe
18-Oct-2020
5:05:57 PM
Bolt the f.ck out of it.
Climbing will be banned everywhere in 5 years time so live the dream while you can.

gordoste
19-Oct-2020
11:15:57 AM
On 9-Oct-2020 Duang Daunk wrote:
>On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>>Hey a future good friend of mine is seeking advice over on thecrag
>>
>>To bolt or not...
>>
>>Yipyah- I’ve finally toproped the arete left of ‘Catcher in the Rye’
>Called
>>it ‘Clench’ for reasons obvious when on it. Really sustained set of classic
>>Frog arete moves. Very hard for an old fella to judge but 26ish? (Well
>>harder than Inhibition but easier than Catcher in the Rye! Before I bolt
>>it I’d like to hear the communities ideas. The route is not at all contrived
>>but shares its right side with the lower left side of CITR. Bolts would
>>have to be left of the arete to be out of sight and mind if on CITR.
>No
>>more carrots, I promise, state of the art only. National park though...
>>All thoughts welcome!
>
>Since when have Qldrs ever sought Vic opinions bro?
>What happened to the traditional State rivalry?
>... but since you’re asking and want a Vic flavour on it - and also because
>it’s a NP, it’s really not worth doing unless there is a significant site
>or something else of cultural value involved.
>
>Take for example how we are right up there with Rio Tinto when it comes
>to developing sites! Those pesky West Australian caves that got demolished
>weren’t in the same climbing calibre as Taipan Wall!
>
>Maybe Qld should use a local comparison and your future friend develop
>the climb in similar flavour of Kangaroo Points’s development, after all,
>there be plenty of common ground in Qld sentiment with Fauci and the w.h.o
>dictatorship for moral support.

Does anyone know what the f**k he's talking about?

Chloe
19-Oct-2020
11:40:16 AM
On 19-Oct-2020 gordoste wrote:
>On 9-Oct-2020 Duang Daunk wrote:
>>On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:

>Does anyone know what the f**k he's talking about?
Which one DD, or EW?
dalai
19-Oct-2020
12:02:09 PM
On 19-Oct-2020 Chloe wrote:
>On 19-Oct-2020 gordoste wrote:
>>On 9-Oct-2020 Duang Daunk wrote:
>>>On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what the f**k he's talking about?
>Which one DD, or EW?

Good question!
One Day Hero
21-Oct-2020
5:55:22 PM
On 18-Oct-2020 f_abe wrote:
>Bolt the f.ck out of it.
>Climbing will be banned everywhere in 5 years time so live the dream while
>you can.

If you actually think that climbing will be banned everywhere in Australia in five years time and your greatest ambition is to bolt garbage filler routes at Frog, then I really doubt that you get climbing at all.

gordoste
22-Oct-2020
1:04:26 PM
On 19-Oct-2020 Chloe wrote:
>On 19-Oct-2020 gordoste wrote:
>>On 9-Oct-2020 Duang Daunk wrote:
>>>On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what the f**k he's talking about?
>Which one DD, or EW?

DD

Duang Daunk
31-Oct-2020
1:27:15 PM
On 22-Oct-2020 gordoste wrote:
>On 19-Oct-2020 Chloe wrote:
>>On 19-Oct-2020 gordoste wrote:
>>>On 9-Oct-2020 Duang Daunk wrote:
>>>>On 8-Oct-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone know what the f**k he's talking about?
>>Which one DD, or EW?
>
>DD

Sigh.
Insert facepalm here.
Internet is not a good medium for sarcasm, and bro Ev has lost his memory of regaling us about the w.h.o. conspiracy and his mate Fauci, so I guess none of us will ever find out what he was talking about.
Prolly a good thing, though I was curious for a bit about how the mind of a rabid bolter works.

E. Wells
1-Nov-2020
5:16:25 AM
Ah so your response to bolting at frog was a personal smear on me with snide sarcasm because I happen to believe that the Covid pandemic is being used as a lever to roll out totatilitarian world gov, to destroy the economy paving the way for what the world economic forum refer to as 'the great reset' ( I call it eugenics) and enslave us under the guise of environmentalism and medical marshal law 'munchausen by proxy en masse'. I did not realise I was supposed to respond and I'm not sure what is to be gained by persistantly targeting anyone with a view that differs from yours however I will just take it as some kind of curious fascination and flattery. Anyhow, time to charge up the milwaukee while I still can.

Duang Daunk
1-Nov-2020
2:24:31 PM
On 1-Nov-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Ah so your response to bolting at frog was a personal smear on me with
>snide sarcasm because I happen to believe that the Covid pandemic is being
>used as a lever to roll out totatilitarian world gov, to destroy the economy
>paving the way for what the world economic forum refer to as 'the great
>reset' ( I call it eugenics) and enslave us under the guise of environmentalism
>and medical marshal law 'munchausen by proxy en masse'. I did not realise
>I was supposed to respond and I'm not sure what is to be gained by persistantly
>targeting anyone with a view that differs from yours however I will just
>take it as some kind of curious fascination and flattery. Anyhow, time
>to charge up the milwaukee while I still can.

You’re right bro gordoste.

gordoste
4-Nov-2020
11:51:06 AM
On 1-Nov-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Ah so your response to bolting at frog was a personal smear on me with
>snide sarcasm because I happen to believe that the Covid pandemic is being
>used as a lever to roll out totatilitarian world gov, to destroy the economy
>paving the way for what the world economic forum refer to as 'the great
>reset' ( I call it eugenics) and enslave us under the guise of environmentalism
>and medical marshal law 'munchausen by proxy en masse'. I did not realise
>I was supposed to respond and I'm not sure what is to be gained by persistantly
>targeting anyone with a view that differs from yours however I will just
>take it as some kind of curious fascination and flattery. Anyhow, time
>to charge up the milwaukee while I still can.

I'd take you seriously if there was any chance of you admitting you were wrong when none of these predictions actually happen. The enslavement one is the exception - by your definition of "enslavement", I am already enslaved because I have to get a license to drive my car and I can't go as fast as I like!!
Markg
4-Nov-2020
5:15:14 PM
Why are we still feeding the Ibises?

E. Wells
4-Nov-2020
7:24:47 PM
Dont take me seriously. Mussolini said once that fascism ought to be called 'corporatism' , if you want someone to take seriously I suggest listening to Martin North. Bury your gold. You make a good point that interpretation of 'enslavement' is subjective, of course.

E. Wells
4-Nov-2020
7:38:42 PM
Btw I wasnt predicting anything , its actually what I see now.

gordoste
6-Nov-2020
11:27:12 AM
On 4-Nov-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Dont take me seriously. Mussolini said once that fascism ought to be called
>'corporatism' , if you want someone to take seriously I suggest listening
>to Martin North. Bury your gold. You make a good point that interpretation
>of 'enslavement' is subjective, of course.

Thanks for the tip on Martin North, he seems very interesting. I do not invest in property (except my actual place of residence) because I feel that our property market is based too much on the assumption that the good times will continue to roll.

I've heard the Mussolini quote before, but I think many people misunderstand what the term "corporatism" might mean. If I'm being generous, it's probably a poor translation, but really I think this is an intentional misunderstanding for ideological purposes. Now that I actually tried to find the source of this quote, and it turns out that snopes.com has an article on it, which I only just found. You should read it, but the main point is:


....
In other words, corporatism in Mussolini’s fascism was not a free-market capitalist system. Far from it. It did not allow for the kind of competition, innovation, market entry, and research and development characteristic of modern capitalism, and it was closely ruled in every way by the state with Mussolini at its head.

Anything that draws a direct link between what are now referred to as corporations (large, powerful private companies operating in a modern free-market capitalist system) and Mussolini’s corporatism, is founded on a misunderstanding — most likely caused by the similarity between the words.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fascism-corporations-corporatism-dictionary/



E. Wells
6-Nov-2020
5:46:07 PM
I disagree. Whether its Christopher Pyne , Malcolm Turnbull, Alexander Downer or a myriad of others , their role in plotitics directly complimented their immediate return to private sector. I actually would like to see free-market capitalism, but when I hear , for example , ABC this morning doing some war grooming about China turning back our product at the Port, I dont think of China. I think of the few equity firms that have invested huge amounts of money in a closed domestic market in China. The perception of free market is a delusion, and our businesses will be brought to their knees then snapped up for peanuts. We will blame some other regime and, as usual, the usual croneys laugh all the way to the bank.

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