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17 DOWN UNDER. "A celebration of moderate grade climbing in Victoria". 184 pages. 285 images. Father & son team, Steve & John Morris, embark on a journey to climb and photograph 50 of the best rock climbs in Victoria, grade 17 & under. Inc bookmark $50.00
It may be bolting but at the end of the day it's about climbing! It's about the experience - why do I need to create the experience you desire.
The younger generation of climbers seems to get overly egotistical and demanding that everything be ring-bolted to suit their gym experience
Bolts offer 'protection', not necessarily safety - safety comes down to the climber, the routes they choose to climb, their mental and physical abilities etc.
Safety is a sum total of numerous factors - not just bolts every 1.2m. If you decide to hop on a bold climb unprepared, you are the danger not the climb . .
> Why add any at all if you don't want the route to be safe?
Because maybe I want the route to be bold and dangerous, or bold but safe. Not every climb needs to be your version of safe!
If the original ascentionists survived than 'ipso facto' it is 'safe' - not that that means anything. Many 'safe' climbs have killed people.
Another tradline etc would certainly help the world, but what we are talking about is retro-route destruction.
Your points are lazy and egotistical - You are not prepared to go out and do some ground up route but you want those that do to accommodate your view of 'safety', bolt positions, number etc.
Part of the 'bolting discussion' problem is the number of bottom-feeders with no-idea, spouting crap and trying to enforce there personal view without any real-world experience.
Maybe you should just get out and put up some climbs in the fashion you prefer and see what people think - just don't destroy any old/bold routes when you do . .