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Access threatened Logan Brae
9:59:21 PM
Twice in the last month I've recieved a phone call from the landowner of Logan Brae because climbers don't seem to understand the "Don't park in the driveway" request written in the guide book and have parked on his driveway. Yesterday some foreigners, 3 weeks ago a Sydney climber who should know better. Please don't park in the driveway. If you're walking in and see someone already parked in the driveway, please seek the owner out as soon as you get to the crag and ask them to move their car immediately. His driveway is anywhere downhill of Shipley road, period.
Remember Blue Mountains Council have repeatedly asked him to fence off access and ban climbers from the cliff. He doesn't want to do it but we're not helping ourselves. Why does he call me, I'm his closest neighbour and I want to maintain access, but it's starting to wear thin repeatedly going down there to enforce his simple request.
10:17:14 PM
I think I may have parked a bit past the 'firetrail' turn off a year or so ago when I went for my one and only visit to the crag. Is this where we shouldnt park? Ie I was driving to it, saw the access trail on the left and parked directly after it on the left side of the tarred road. I dont remember that park blocking anything, and thought I was doing the right thing by not driving down to the crag directly.
10:35:53 PM
Olbert - where you parked sounds OK. So long as you are parked alongside the main road, in the pullouts either before or after the driveway/fire trail, then you should be OK. The problem is when ppl park anywhere in the driveway (the driveway turns into the fire trail after about 20 metres).

Ado - thanks for your help with this!

10:38:32 PM
Bigger sign? Maybe a no-entry symbol rather than words so the non-english speakers get it? Don't expect everyone will be able to read the guidebook in depth. I know if there was a paragraph about access issues in the Ceuse guide I wouldn't have had a clue it was there! And of course - if there isn't any carparks available go climb somewhere else...

Name and shame the offenders.
12:36:20 AM
Is it possible to create a climbers car park and put a sign on a tree or something?
One Day Hero
12:58:39 AM
On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>And of course - if there
>isn't any carparks available go climb somewhere else...
......or park back down the road a ways and walk (shock horror) 10mins on the flat
8:39:50 AM
On 18/01/2011 One Day Hero wrote:
>On 17/01/2011 nmonteith wrote:
>......or park back down the road a ways and walk (shock horror) 10mins
>on the flat

I mean, really ODH, if sport climbers wanted a walk in they'd go to Wave Wall or Porters Pass. The reason they chose Logan Brae is so as not to have to add muscle to their legs in order to tick their hard problems.

8:45:13 AM
Thanks for your efforts Ado.

I tend to agree with Neil about a big sign. But instead of a "No Access" sign (symbol OR Words) I think maybe a "No Vehicle Access" sign. i.e a car inside a red circle with a red cross through it. That may reduce any access confusion whilst stopping random climbers from just driving on in??

8:47:31 AM
Does anyone in the Sydney/Blue Mountains Chocky community have the ability to get signs made for cheap?
Or would we be best going through Trackcare for these things all the time....... On secod thoughts it probably is better to pass all works through trackcare so that we can show a united front.....
8:53:10 AM
Does the land owner want a sign on his property?

9:01:50 AM
Good point WW&S, got a little carried away and ahead of myself.
We could sell the idea to the landowner though. A4 sized sign with choice of logo/symbol. Will ensure that climbers of any language group do not impinge (?) on land. If at any stage landowner does want to ban access, then sign can be replaced with a "NO CLIMBING ACCESS. CLIMBING BANNED" option etc...
If the landowner has an escape option they may feel better about having a sign installed.
10:46:40 AM
Spot on WW&S, he's not that keen on erecting a sign. Olbert your parking spot sounded fine.

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