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Theft at Point Perp - how common is it?

startedwithtrees

22-Dec-2009
10:04:53 PM

Hey all. Heading up to point perp after chrissy and I read in the guidebook that theft is common from the carparks there. Given that we'll be camping it might be hard to secure valuables.
Any experiences of this or hints for avoiding it? I drive a newish Forrester but unfortunately no alarm.
Thanks for any info.

dclimber

22-Dec-2009
10:09:53 PM

I have never had anything stolen over the last 5 summers. When I spoke with the people
at the gate last year they said they use to have alot of trouble before they put in the gate
and registration but not any more. I would still be cautious but never had a problem myself

Richard Delaney

22-Dec-2009
10:24:30 PM

Whether it's climbing or canyons, I've found the best solution is...
put all the valuables in a waterproof bag and stash them in the bush well away from any road/carpark.
Then, depending on what's left in the car and the history of the spot (like Claustral Carpark where some genius worked out that canyoners cars would make easy pickings between 11am and 2pm) I may even leave the car unlocked and with a window open.


Phil Box

23-Dec-2009
7:52:45 AM

I reckon that if an area has a really bad problem with break ins then that should be dealt with. If the cops don't then the climbing community should.

Here's how a mate of mine dealt with a problem. He caught 3 young gentlemen of the very sun tanned skin persuasion. He bundled them into the boot of his car and took them about 30 k out of town and got them out and told them to start digging their grave. All the while training a gun on them. They were blubbering like fools. They dug a big hole, then he told them to take their pants off. He then proceeded to lecture them as to what would happen if they or anyone else ever came on to his property again.

He drove off and left them to make their own way back to town. They made it about 3 days later. The result is that whenever he drives down the street they and their mates practically salute him.

The local cop got wind of it and by and large gave him a wink and a nod.

Now how does that relate to break ins, well, we need to post a camo black ops sentry at the carpark and bust whoever is breaking in. Take lotsa pics and then jump these guys and hold them till the cops arrive. Of course this means a time commitment but may well go to solving these types of problems. I'm sure we can get creative instead of moaning about the problem.


pmonks

23-Dec-2009
8:06:26 AM

Not a huge amount of data, but I've been broken into at
* Pt Perp lighthouse carpark (been there 3 or 4 times)
* Thompson's Pt carpark (twice) (been there a bunch of times)
* Pierce's Pass carpark (been there 2 or 3 times)

In most of those cases it was only the older non-alarmed cars that were broken into.

Still, here's a taste of what we're up against. Maybe theft is at least partially genetic? ;-)

Winston Smith

23-Dec-2009
8:19:58 AM

On 23/12/2009 Phil Box wrote:
>I reckon that if an area has a really bad problem with break ins then that
>should be dealt with. If the cops don't then the climbing community should.
>
>
>Here's how a mate of mine dealt with a problem. He caught 3 young gentlemen
>of the very sun tanned skin persuasion. He bundled them into the boot of
>his car and took them about 30 k out of town and got them out and told
>them to start digging their grave. All the while training a gun on them.
>They were blubbering like fools. They dug a big hole, then he told them
>to take their pants off. He then proceeded to lecture them as to what would
>happen if they or anyone else ever came on to his property again.
>
>He drove off and left them to make their own way back to town. They made
>it about 3 days later. The result is that whenever he drives down the street
>they and their mates practically salute him.
>
>The local cop got wind of it and by and large gave him a wink and a nod.
>
>
>Now how does that relate to break ins, well, we need to post a camo black
>ops sentry at the carpark and bust whoever is breaking in. Take lotsa pics
>and then jump these guys and hold them till the cops arrive. Of course
>this means a time commitment but may well go to solving these types of
>problems. I'm sure we can get creative instead of moaning about the problem.

Mate I hope this tale of overreaction and vigilante-style stupidity is a tall tale.

There's little to admire in the actions of either side of this story.

If by climbing community you mean redneck justice then it's a different "climbing community" to the one of which I'm a member.


ambyeok

23-Dec-2009
8:56:42 AM

On 23/12/2009 Winston Smith wrote:
>Mate I hope this tale of overreaction and vigilante-style stupidity is
>a tall tale.

Couldnt second you more on that one Winston. That was either a marvelous troll or the most insane drivel I have read for a long time.


pmonks

23-Dec-2009
9:28:58 AM

Not to start an interstate flame war, but I suspect that kind of thing is more common the further north you go...


IdratherbeclimbingM9

23-Dec-2009
9:44:35 AM

On 23/12/2009 pmonks wrote:
>In most of those cases it was only the older non-alarmed cars that were
>broken into.
>
>Still, here's a taste of what we're up against. Maybe theft is at least partially genetic? ;-)
>
Theft from motor vehicles is different to theft of motor vehicles, but I agree that we are probably dealing with the same mentality.
... I must be feeling pedantic today ;-)

Incidentally, if someone steals something from an unlocked car / windows open, etc, it is no different in the eyes of the law. It is however, cheaper than having to fix a broken window after the event.

simey

23-Dec-2009
10:05:48 AM

>On 23/12/2009 Winston Smith wrote:
>Mate I hope this tale of overreaction and vigilante-style stupidity is a tall tale.

Yep, I agree. Although if the story was about how to deal with M9 then I would be in complete agreement with such action.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

23-Dec-2009
10:18:49 AM

On 23/12/2009 simey wrote:
>>On 23/12/2009 Winston Smith wrote:
>>Mate I hope this tale of overreaction and vigilante-style stupidity is a tall tale.
>
>Yep, I agree. Although if the story was about how to deal with M9 then I would be in complete agreement with such action.
>

I hope you ~~get what you want for~~ have a happy Christmas simey.
;-)
Btw I never thought I'd see the day when you would willingly write heh, heh, heh, so I will consider that to be a win if this is some kind of competition you have going this year.

Oh, and I notice you are currently up to 1234 posts at the moment, ~> nice sequence you have going there!
Heh, heh, heh.


pmonks

23-Dec-2009
10:33:00 AM

On 23/12/2009 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Theft from motor vehicles is different to theft of motor vehicles,

Agreed. This or this appear to be closer metrics, which reinforces your next point:

>but I agree that we are probably dealing with the same mentality.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

23-Dec-2009
10:44:47 AM

>Total crime victims
I notice Japan has only half the % of Australia. Their victims only feel half ripped off instead of the full Monty?
;-)


pmonks

23-Dec-2009
10:56:55 AM

hmmm........I wonder if this is a coincidence, particularly around Nowra? ;-)

Olbert

23-Dec-2009
11:29:57 AM

I have been to point perp a dozen or so times and never had anything taken.
I have been to nowra (thompsons and almost all the others) craploads of times and never had anything taken
I have left entire trad racks/spare ropes/ other shit in the back of my car at said places (and everywhere else I drive) and never had anything taken.

Maybe its cos I have a modern-ish car and might have security systems?

widewetandslippery

23-Dec-2009
11:58:07 AM

My first visit to the Point 20?years ago involved a car of one of the party being broken into. Camera, personal belongings etc taken.

Climbers are not the only targets. Surfers and fishers cars are reguarly broken into along the whole NSW south coast.

Camp at a paid campground or somewhere remote. Leave the bulk of your stuff there. Remote means being a real pain in the arse to get to.

Take any valuables with you. Leave them in a pack near where you're climbing. Hide the pack. I had a friend lose a lot of stuff at North Palm Beach (probally Jodi Gordan) once having left the pack with keys and wallet in plain view.

If possible leave the car empty and glove box open.


ambyeok

23-Dec-2009
12:10:12 PM

I think the point about the gaurds at Pt Perp is good one. Every car entering or leaving goes through a security gate with some very nice gentlemen who record you car registration and the purpose of your visit. Theives are a brazen bunch and this might not put them off completely but it goes a long way.

widewetandslippery

23-Dec-2009
12:15:48 PM

The gaurds sit in thier airconditioned box. The thieves know this.


Snappy

23-Dec-2009
12:31:42 PM

Went there at the end of last year for a week in a soft top 4x4, didn't have any problems at all.


ambyeok

23-Dec-2009
1:38:54 PM

On 23/12/2009 widewetandslippery wrote:
>The gaurds sit in thier airconditioned box. The thieves know this.

True, and they probably also drive stolen cars so the rego aint gonna help!

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