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The Pines loosing its pines


kezza

15-Apr-2008
8:18:12 PM

A lot of pine trees are dying lately, there isn't going to be many left in a few years time.

Will these be replaced with native trees and plants that can withstand the drought?

Can someone throw an email address my way of someone from Parks Vic that would be able to give definate answers?

What do you guys think should replace the dying pines?

Access T CliffCare

15-Apr-2008
10:00:40 PM

Hi Kerryn,

The last time I spoke to the Ranger about this, they were working with native pines to replace the dying pines presently there.

citationx

15-Apr-2008
11:30:41 PM

On 15/04/2008 Access T wrote:
>
>Hi Kerryn,
>
>The last time I spoke to the Ranger about this, they were working with
>native pines to replace the dying pines presently there.

I too was told something of a similar nature when speaking to a ranger at the pines at the end of August last year.


kezza

16-Apr-2008
10:25:01 AM

If it's been talked about since last year, perhaps we need to nicely kick them up the butt to get started?


Capt_mulch

16-Apr-2008
12:56:56 PM

How about a warm and fuzzy tree planting day?

Access T CliffCare

16-Apr-2008
4:11:28 PM

On 16/04/2008 kezza wrote:
>If it's been talked about since last year, perhaps we need to nicely kick
>them up the butt to get started?

I can probably get a bit more info as for specifics, but from what I was told, it has been started. The particular native pine trees have to be raised from seedlings (and I think this is being done) I'm not sure of the exact time frame but there are a number of issues along the way that will affect any planning. Water being one - not just for growing the seedlings successfully but also for the planting. Some seedlings that CliffCare have ordered for the Pharos Tourist track reveg. have been at the mercy of the water shortage so our time frame for that project has needed to be extended and even now it's not a definite. It's pointless replanting when it's pretty sure they won't survive. And possibly, because of the Feasability Study being undertaken last year, some projects may have had to be put on hold until it was out.

As I said, I can find out if there are any specifics. With reveg included in the Feasability Study, this could be an advantage.

wombby

19-Apr-2008
6:00:04 PM

I talked to Max about this several years ago, it's a pity the drought has hit the region so hard.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

19-Apr-2008
6:45:47 PM

On 19/04/2008 wombby wrote:
>I talked to Max about this several years ago, it's a pity the drought has
>hit the region so hard.

Apart from SE Qld / North coast NSW where has the drought hit less hard?
:)
If the pines are not native species then I would be for replacing them with endemic native gums.

Paul

19-Apr-2008
8:52:31 PM

On 19/04/2008 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>On 19/04/2008 wombby wrote:
>>I talked to Max about this several years ago, it's a pity the drought
>has
>>hit the region so hard.
>
>Apart from SE Qld / North coast NSW where has the drought hit less hard?
>:)
>If the pines are not native species then I would be for replacing them
>with endemic native gums.

There are 16 species of pine which are native to Australia to choose from, not sure what the ones in the pines camp ground are though.

tastybigmac

19-Apr-2008
10:39:39 PM

the pine trees currently in the pines are pinus radiata and are from california. the callitris is the native pine which grows around the mt.


Sabu

19-Apr-2008
11:01:06 PM

On 19/04/2008 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>If the pines are not native species then I would be for replacing them
>with endemic native gums.
I wouldn't want to camp in a place with gum trees having a similar concentration as the pines, very big hazard (ironic considering i normally camp in the "gums" area!)
Replace them with native pines, the area is too iconic to lose.


howzithanging?

20-Apr-2008
1:03:18 PM

the native pine allocasuarina, would be a perfect choice for re planting the "pines" camp ground, being native to central australia the Allocasuarina decaisneana is perfectally adapted to a hot dry climate, a fast growing tree reaching 15m in height with a thick strait trunk and drooping branches of much less girth. propagated from seed in spring. this would be my choice of plant for the pines


kuu

20-Apr-2008
3:55:31 PM

On 20/04/2008 howzithanging? wrote:
>the native pine allocasuarina, would be a perfect choice for re planting
>the "pines" camp ground, being native to central australia the Allocasuarina
>decaisneana is perfectally adapted to a hot dry climate, a fast growing
>tree reaching 15m in height with a thick strait trunk and drooping branches
>of much less girth. propagated from seed in spring. this would be my choice
>of plant for the pines

I suspect many people would consider an Allocasuarina to be a She-oak (alternatively She-oke or Buloke) rather than a Native Pine but nitpicking aside, the Alice Springs Town Council website says of the Allocauarina decaisneana:

"Scientific name - Allocasuarina decaisneana
Common name - Desert Oak
Native to Central Australia
Height 5–15m
Width 3–8m
Growth rate Slow

Elegant slow–growing tree with weeping adult foliage. Young trees have distinctive narrow form. Flowers inconspicuous. Frost tolerant. Difficult to establish in gardens."

In the work "A Guide to Plants in Little Desert & Mt. Arapiles Area", F.J.C. Rogers lists five species of Allocausuarina and four species of Callitris found in the region. Callitris, I believe, is the genus more usually referred to as 'Native Pine' and is most likely the genus being considered as a possible substitute for replanting in the Pines campground.

Perhaps a mixture of Allocasuarina and Callitris species could be used for the replanting to avoid creating a 'mono-culture' and give some insurance against catastrophic failure of just one species?

tastybigmac

20-Apr-2008
4:21:51 PM

if you have ever bothered to look, i think you may just find some casuarinas around the back of the mount.

the friends of araps and the rangers know all this already and will have considered things like safety as well as what trees to use. they know what they are doing.

look up costermans book: native trees and shrubs of south east australia

it is a great reference. not everything is in there but that would be very hard.


howzithanging?

20-Apr-2008
8:18:10 PM

i wouldn't go so far as to say that the friends of araps and park rangers know what they are doing. .. but they are doing a good job so far!

i didn't say the allocasurinas weren't already at the park i simp0ly suggested that they would make a good choice to replace the pines that currently occupy the camping area.

i think it would be a great idea to pool everyone's knowledege and make suggestions on what ppl would like to see planted i might make for an interesting plant out..
casuarina and allocasuarina are still different types of plants( although there was talk of combining the two into one species i beleive that horticulturists are still being taught to seperate the two) so what kind of trees are found at the back of the mt? maybe if you had bothered to look properly then you would have known

tastybigmac

20-Apr-2008
8:43:53 PM

i know this but don't really give a shit. i think they should plant callitris.

Paul

20-Apr-2008
9:24:44 PM

how about palm trees?

tastybigmac

20-Apr-2008
9:49:28 PM

only if they are coconut


howzithanging?

21-Apr-2008
5:24:50 PM

callitris would be a bad choice of tree , requiring watering duting summer, generally planted in small groups because they require full sun.
sound mroe like ypu dont know shit

tastybigmac

21-Apr-2008
6:05:31 PM

so all the sallitris growing in the northern group get watered? get f---ed

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