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General Climbing Discussion
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Onsight, Flash and Redpoint? |
12-Jan-2004 At 2:46:09 PM |
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Strict definitions support these definitions except for the ludicrous closing comment.
On 9/01/2004 Brass Nutz wrote:
>This is my opinion on the following:
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>ON-SIGHT - The climber attempts the route for the first time (without
>prior knowledge or rehearsals) from the ground up! All protection is placed
>while leading and no falls are taken.
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>FLASH - Same as above except the climber had acquired prior knowledge
>of the route (either through observation of another climber or by information
>form someone who has climbed the route)
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>REDPOINT - The climber has been on the route before and therefore has
>prior knowledge both of the moves and the type of pro required.
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>PINKPOINT - The climber has pre-placed all pro (usually via abseil) and
>then simply clips all the pieces as they climb up
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>ALL REAL CLIMBERS ONLY ON-SIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Pinkpoint and redpoint are used interchangeably in Oz and rightfully so, it's already anal enough with three categorisations.
I don't see how onsighting gear on is NOT an onsight. As SteveH suggests, just mention that the gear was on ..."on-sighted with gear in place" ... IFF the delineation in style is THAT important to you.
Cheers,
The Fat Man |
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