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Night Bouldering at Burnley
midnight
23/01/2007
1:57:51 PM
Quit my night shift job so back to being a climbing bum. Heading down tonight to Burnley with sound system for late afternoon/night bouldering. I'll have some tunes and a few lights. so bring your climbing shoes, lights and good vibes!

cheesehead
23/01/2007
5:33:14 PM
We need someone with a ladder to turn the big river-lamp around.
Maybe with your toy lightsaber, midnight. My lightsaber spoon (still have it, folks) won't quite go the distance.

ShinToe Warrior
23/01/2007
7:32:33 PM
On 23/01/2007 cheesehead wrote:
My lightsaber spoon (still have it, folks) won't quite go the distance.

A Jedi needs not light to boulder Hmmmm???
Go within, Cheesy-wan Kenobi, reach out for the holds with your mind!, your hands and feet, they will follow
midnight
24/01/2007
5:29:04 PM
i tried using my jedi powers but realised i'm a pretender like toshiro mifune in seven samurai :(
but we should make a request to Parks Vic for lighting there!
climbingjac
24/01/2007
11:13:14 PM
Parks already helped us more than they planned to financially with paying for the construction of the walls themselves. They were unable to stretch the budget even further to provide additional lighting.

In other words, we've definitely discussed the lighting issue already. The cost of suitable light fixtures is at least $800 each, even if we get the sparky to provide free labour to install them. Anyone with a spare $800 kicking around should get in touch with me and I will happily co-ordinate the use of the cash to investigate the feasibility of installing lighting. That is not to say that it is smart to install lighting - the impact to the climbing and bouldering gyms in Melbourne has to be considered. Remember they are easier sites to maintain and keep open. Burnley is a lot more hard work. It wouldn't be smart to light Burnley up like a Christmas tree, relieve the gyms of all their business, force them to close their doors, etc etc. That would be a very undesirable result. In other words, we have to consider a few things before we jump in with installing lighting. Happy to discuss further in the event that a spare $800 was floating around.
drdeviousii
25/01/2007
7:35:17 AM
On 24/01/2007 climbingjac wrote:
> That is not to say that it is smart to install lighting - the impact to
>the climbing and bouldering gyms in Melbourne has to be considered.
> It wouldn't be smart to light Burnley up like a Christmas tree,
>relieve the gyms of all their business, force them to close their doors,
>etc etc. That would be a very undesirable result. In other words, we
>have to consider a few things before we jump in with installing lighting.

money making money making money money money making

how about creating a facility that poor people can use

not everyone can afford 17 bucks for a gym entry

only the truly enthused will be there after dark anyway

we predict that it will get lit unofficially anyway

is there a powerpoint nearby ?

*** people power ***
Lurking Dave
25/01/2007
11:38:04 AM
drdeviousii what a great attitude you have, short sighted and naive. Who exactly are you suggesting should create a free resource for you? and why would thay? Can you really not afford to climb at the Lactic Factory?

LD
drdeviousii
25/01/2007
3:00:42 PM
>In other words, we've definitely discussed the lighting issue already.
> The cost of suitable light fixtures is at least $800 each, even if we
>get the sparky to provide free labour to install them. Anyone with a spare
>$800 kicking around should get in touch with me and I will happily co-ordinate
>the use of the cash to investigate the feasibility of installing lighting.
> That is not to say that it is smart to install lighting - the impact to
>the climbing and bouldering gyms in Melbourne has to be considered. Remember
>they are easier sites to maintain and keep open. Burnley is a lot more
>hard work. It wouldn't be smart to light Burnley up like a Christmas tree,
>relieve the gyms of all their business, force them to close their doors,
>etc etc. That would be a very undesirable result. In other words, we
o discuss further in the event that a spare $800 was floating around.

the gyms are already suffering by Burnely existing - why not go ther whole hog? its too late to be worried about the gyms.

LD - not all climbers have your high-paying corporate job...
bike tracks are lit at night, cyclists don't pay for them. why not provide a lit climbing area for climbers to use free of charge?
Lurking Dave
25/01/2007
3:53:29 PM
>its too late to be worried about the gyms.

I understand that they were aware/consulted prior to Burnley being built.

No, not all climbers have high paying jobs... which isn't that relevant, people prioritise their spending on what is important to them.

Yes bike paths are lit, this is a safety issue. A more realistic comparison would be a velodrome... I might have missed something but does Melbourne have a a floodlit velodrome that is free of charge for all? No I thought not.

LD

nmonteith
25/01/2007
3:59:35 PM
On 25/01/2007 Lurking Dave wrote:
>I understand that they were aware/consulted prior to Burnley being built.

I'm sure they weren't whooping with joy about it!

>Yes bike paths are lit, this is a safety issue. A more realistic comparison
>would be a velodrome... I might have missed something but does Melbourne
>have a a floodlit velodrome that is free of charge for all? No I thought
>not.

Think how many skate parks, bike paths, kids playgrounds, soccer fields, beaches (with lifeguards!)
ect are available to the public. I think DD is just trying to say its pretty much the same thing. The
facility is already there. Its built and being used already. I don't see why some lights shouldn't be
installed because it might conflict with the gyms profits. (i can understand the finanical problems with
getting the the lights though! trying to get $800 from climbers is a very tall order!)
Lurking Dave
25/01/2007
4:12:39 PM
I'm not objecting to lights per se... and given the fact that I live next door I would beneft more than most from being able to do a quick evening session... the direction that I am coming from is that the gyms that are out there (specifically Lactic as it is the most directly comparable - bouldering only) are something that we as a community either support or loose.

Picture a blustery, wet, winters evening, a small group of climbers shelter next to the Burnley wall, bathed in the glow of the sodium light installed a couple of years previously. "Wouldn't it be great if we there was an indoor bouldering wall that was dry had loads of new problems and warming coffee?"

LD

nmonteith
25/01/2007
4:39:56 PM
I understand your point Dave. I just see it a bit strange that the best outcome of the burnely facility would
be deliberately hobbled to appease someones business interests. I am a big supporter of the Lactic
Factory (here! here! a very bold move from Christian!), but i also see a place for somewhere like Burnley.
A bit of freindly competetion always improves things in my opinion (imagine if the only gym in Victoria
was Seaford - the first gym in Victoria!). If the Lactic wants to last the distance they need to work their
strengths and continue with expanding and revolutionizing. I treat the two places as different venues
anyway (Burnley for endurance, lactic for strength/mag reading!). my 2c anyway. i go to both and will
continue to do so.

alrob
25/01/2007
6:11:28 PM
take take take! thats what it seems like. and no give give give in return huh?

no one has invested money in burnley apart from parks and VCC. Yet we want as much spent on it as possible, with all the luxury's of a gym. but then WE don't have to pay to use it? gimme a break.

if your too cheap to support the local business' (yes, unlike burnley, you actually gotta give something of yours (money) in order to recieve their part of it (admission), then tough shit! you just miss out! lifes a bitch, and there won't be people around to hold your hand all the time. Christian (lactic factory) relies on the climbing communities support to keep his business up and running.

On 25/01/2007 nmonteith wrote:
>A bit of freindly competetion always improves things in my opinion. If the Lactic wants to >last the distance they need to work their strengths and continue with expanding and >revolutionizing.

they shouldn't have to do this against a free climbing facility though! how is it friendly competetion, when the competition is provided free, and no-one is financially invested in it? if no-one turns up to burnley, no-one looses money. if no-one turns up to Lactic, Christian looses business.

I think burnley has gone too far already. There are training holds on the 30degree wall, and a request on the chalk board for a series of the systems holds. it by far exceeds the original burnley! i wonder how many people who visit burnley now and make these sort of requests actually climbed at the first burnley wall, where it was simply rocks glued on. no routsetting bees, no rubber matting. just glued on rocks!

ShinToe Warrior
25/01/2007
7:20:23 PM
Bugger it!, I'll use my headtorch AND The Force.

Chuck Norris
25/01/2007
7:58:01 PM
for so many reasons please don''t put lights at burnley.

if you really need more than a headtorch and/or the force then why not bring a gas lantern down. A couple
of them lights it up better than daylight.

I'll be there with bells on during winter on tuesdays and thursdays with one lamp. anyone up for bringing
another?


cheesehead
25/01/2007
11:42:13 PM
It sounds like you have other reasons, or at least strong opinions there Stu?

Chuck Norris
25/01/2007
11:50:23 PM
you're right...I enjoy midnight nude bouldering
climbingjac
26/01/2007
5:14:30 AM
On 25/01/2007 alrob wrote:
>no one has invested money in burnley apart from parks and VCC.

Hiya alrob,

I agree with your attitude, that the gyms need to be protected. That way everyone gets a variety of training venues :-) Burnley is a lot harder to maintain than a gym, where the doors can be closed at night for security, and there is electricity to assist with maintenance duties. I shudder to think if the gyms closed and Burnley was the only facility. We just don't have the resources for Burnley to be the ONLY facility, so i believe it is really important for us to take care of the welfare of the gyms.

Just a quick note to highlight that funding and support came from more than Parks and VCC. Transurban put up the bulk of the $$. VCC put up no money - but rather the workforce, project co-ordination, sponsorship sourcing, supplier and discount sourcing etc. We also had other financial backers - one of the climbing gyms among them. We also had a large number of companies and individuals that provided product, and free labour.

:-)

PS it is nighttime at 4pm here in the Kingdom of Puddles!! Now that would be annoying; if it was dark at 4pm at Burnley!!! :-)

Cheers - Jac

andyR
26/01/2007
9:38:21 PM
Up here in Ballarat my "local" is a bluestone bridge!! You should all count yourselves lucky!!

Organ Pipe
29/01/2007
9:06:12 AM
On 25/01/2007 stugang wrote:
>... why not
>bring a gas lantern down. A couple
>of them lights it up better than daylight.

Totally agree with stugang. The gas lantern is sufficient for late night bouldering if you need more than a headlamp.

If we were to light up the place at night with multiple electric globes, think about the long term quantity of emissions we'd be producing in the process. Presumably a switch would be installed so that the last climber to leave could switch them off, but lets face it, we'd forget and the things would be burning bright all night.

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