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Ayers Rock
Bob Saki
25-Sep-2006
5:00:43 PM
Has anyone here climbed it?

what was the rock like? any photos?

any guides or routes from yesteryear?

nmonteith
25-Sep-2006
5:29:15 PM
no no no. It is VERY banned. Even the tourist track is frowned upon by the aboriginal landowners. In the
1970s Kieth Lockwood climbed a route called the Kangaroos Tail which went up a multi pitch unprotected
water runnel. There is description and photos in the old Classic Climb Of Australia (Joe Friend). They got
in lot sof trouble from memory.

The place is now crawling with tourists and rangers so there is very limited opportunity to climb it un-
noticed.
Bob Saki
25-Sep-2006
5:34:30 PM
I was aware today's politiocal climate made climbing rather difficult up that way
But when you see it, to me it begs to be climbed so tempting.

Do you have any snaps of this or is this Classic climb of Oz a book?


nmonteith
26-Sep-2006
9:05:37 AM
Classic Climbs is indeed a book - much flawed but still very interesting! You can find it in many libraries -
i've never been able to purchase one though. It came out soemtime in the 1980s.

HM33
26-Sep-2006
9:15:29 AM
Ive got a copy. Its a great read and does has some pics of ayes rock climbing in it.
Paul
26-Sep-2006
9:17:40 AM
It is nothing to do with the political climate, it is because it is a sacrid site for the Pitjantjatjara and Yankuntjatjara peoples (local Indigneous peoples). it is one of the few national parks in Australian managed by Indigeous Australians. It is also world herritage listed.

In rock magazeen no.64 (October) 2005 there was an article about climing in centeral Australia with.

Maybe Simey can post his story about finding the secone biggest rock outcrop in Australia
sydneymatt
26-Sep-2006
10:26:00 AM
Also curious about the Olgas?
And I hear you cannot climb in Kings Canyon but there is climbing near by?
Anyone been climbing in the area.

nmonteith
26-Sep-2006
12:24:30 PM
The olgas has some fun conglomorate scrambling! (and possibly some routes to do). I am sure it is
banned though.
Bob Saki
26-Sep-2006
12:44:59 PM
all this banning now that I think about it is highly irksome, these rocks were here long before any humans.

Naturally I wouldn't rush out there to climb it as the climate we live in would mean it would reflect badly on climbers per se and may draw unwanted attention and scrutiny going forward to climbers.

It would be nice to climb anything and everything though. To me climbing is as natural as walking. I bet back in the day when the ancients saw a rock on a high point they may have climbed that for the same reasons we climb today!

shiltz
26-Sep-2006
1:02:43 PM
No chalk and bolts (or sticky rubber, or harnesses) back then though.

Anyone see Baldrick's review of the worst jobs in the dark ages on the ABC recently. The guys who went hand-over-hand down a home made rope with a basket to collect bird eggs on a sea cliff were more extreme than any modern abseiler.

DaCrux
26-Sep-2006
1:37:38 PM
I have to disagree with you Chris. Uluru is a World Heritage Area – and should be preserved. It also has great spiritual significance for Anangu and they prefer that people don’t climb it. You wouldn’t want people to come your home and destroy whatever they want just because it feels natural to them or to walk all over your ancestors’ graves. There aren’t that many areas in Australia where climbing is banned, and you’ll find that in most of them, climbing is banned because they’re in national parks.
I think sometimes people want to climb in some places only because they aren’t allowed to. I remember bushwalking in a spectacular gorge in South Australia, admiring the rock, only to get home and find on the net that climbing was prohibited there, which made me want to climb there even more. It’s a good thing that it’s a 3 hour walk (uphill) to the gorge, after a 3 hour drive otherwise I might have been tempted :)
Bob Saki
26-Sep-2006
2:04:04 PM
On 26/09/2006 DaCrux wrote:
>I. You wouldn’t want people to
>come your home and destroy whatever they want just because it feels natural
>to them or to walk all over your ancestors’ graves.

Yeah, but we actually construced these ourselves and hence can claim a level of ownership, they weren't here in the same way as this great monolith was........................

There aren’t that many
>areas in Australia where climbing is banned, and you’ll find that in most
>of them, climbing is banned because they’re in national parks.
>I think sometimes people want to climb in some places only because they
>aren’t allowed to. I remember bushwalking in a spectacular gorge in South
>Australia, admiring the rock, only to get home and find on the net that
>climbing was prohibited there, which made me want to climb there even more.
>It’s a good thing that it’s a 3 hour walk (uphill) to the gorge, after
>a 3 hour drive otherwise I might have been tempted :)


Like I said I'm not going to go and climb these areas as it's selfish as it may make the future tough for climbers. Like all humans I have the want to do many things that may be prohibited but I must act universally as I'm not the sole occupant of this planet.

DaCrux
26-Sep-2006
2:09:15 PM
On 26/09/2006 Bob Saki wrote:
>Yeah, but we actually construced these ourselves and hence can claim a
>level of ownership, they weren't here in the same way as this great monolith
>was........................
I think Aboriginal people could claim a level of ownership of the land we construct our houses on ;)
Bob Saki
26-Sep-2006
2:13:51 PM
On 26/09/2006 DaCrux wrote:
>
>I think Aboriginal people could claim a level of ownership of the land
>we construct our houses on ;)

Tough one........................

I spose then in the same breath Saxon descendants could be claiming the lands of great Britain and beyond (yet no one seems keen to support that??) etc....
I guess in my little world I see the land as belonging to no one and everyone.
structures to me are in a different category, toil, money and time has gone into those. Whereas the land has evolved naturally.






DaCrux
26-Sep-2006
2:21:27 PM
On 26/09/2006 Bob Saki wrote:
>Tough one........................
>
>I spose then in the same breath Saxon descendants could be claiming the
>lands of great Britain and beyond (yet no one seems keen to support that??)
>etc....
>I guess in my little world I see the land as belonging to no one and everyone.
>structures to me are in a different category, toil, money and time has
>gone into those. Whereas the land has evolved naturally.

Tough one indeed – look at what’s happening in the Middle East...
I guess all one can do is to try not to destroy this planet so that maybe future generations can come up with a solution :)
Bob Saki
26-Sep-2006
2:30:34 PM
On 26/09/2006 DaCrux wrote:
>>Tough one indeed – look at what’s happening in the Middle East...
>I guess all one can do is to try not to destroy this planet so that maybe
>future generations can come up with a solution :)

truer words were never spoken! - everything can be done with care.
>

BigMike
28-Sep-2006
1:29:53 AM
On 26/09/2006 Bob Saki wrote:
>On 26/09/2006 DaCrux wrote:
>>

>
>I spose then in the same breath Saxon descendants could be claiming the
>lands of great Britain and beyond (yet no one seems keen to support that??)
>etc....

Ever tried bouldering on Stonehenge? It's just relocated Welsh rock (and chipped too, bloody druids) and the people who put the stones there aren't around any more, so there should be no problem. Gotta be a few crimpy classics on there!!!

:-)

gremlin
28-Sep-2006
8:57:09 AM
As an aboriginal person, i take this sort of thing fairly seriously. There are a few places i simply refuse to climb at or even visit. When i have ventured into some of these places i get an errie feeling of being watched and strange things happen... However a 'religious' connection with the environment is a difficult concept to explain.

Walk into a graveyard/war memorial/stadium/museum/church then climb up the walls, placing pro, rigging ropes, yelling out climbing calls, the odd bolt here and there... My guess is that you would soon be arrested...

It's not about ownership, its about acknowledgement and respect... Aboriginal history is a part of Australian history, some of it goes back well before stonehenge was even built, enjoy it and protect it so future generations can too.

tnd
28-Sep-2006
10:25:33 AM
On 28/09/2006 BigMike wrote:
>Ever tried bouldering on Stonehenge? It's just relocated Welsh rock (and
>chipped too, bloody druids) and the people who put the stones there aren't
>around any more, so there should be no problem. Gotta be a few crimpy classics
>on there!!!
>
>:-)
>

So you're staggering in drunk and posting to Chockstone at 1:30 in the morning now? Holidays are fun aren't they?

IdratherbeclimbingM9
28-Sep-2006
4:39:42 PM
On 26/09/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>Classic Climbs is indeed a book - much flawed but still very interesting!
>You can find it in many libraries -
>i've never been able to purchase one though. It came out soemtime in the
>1980s.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=joe+friend&y=12&tn=classic+climbs+of+australia&x=50

... this site reckons there are 5* available in Aust and a couple from overseas ...
(*was 6 but I ordered one for myself today, as many years ago I purchased a new one and gave it to a friend for a present and have sometimes thought I wish I had kept it !)

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