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PreferKnitting
20/08/2006
7:44:56 PM
has anyone flicked through the latest Climber (UK) mag? it has a section on what's hot and what's not. For example, For the writer of Climbing magazine, what's hot: climbing with jeans with the cuffs upturned. What's not: Dean Potter climbing THAT arch. What's hot: girls bouldering hard with nail polish, waif thin and with perfect make up (ok, I made that one up), but for a moment I thought I was reading cosmo.

What's going on? Is this a climbing magz's idea of capturing female readers or do they think that climbers really need to be cool? I'm confused...

when's that locally made community run climbing magazine coming out?


nmonteith
21/08/2006
8:57:16 AM
On 20/08/2006 PreferKnitting wrote:
>What's going on? Is this a climbing magz's idea of capturing female readers
>or do they think that climbers really need to be cool? I'm confused...

Climbers will never be cool - no matter how hard we try.

>when's that locally made community run climbing magazine coming out?

Its at the printers at the moment. Hopefully in the next few weeks!
jonorock
21/08/2006
1:14:19 PM
Jeans a new climbing fashion? The yanks are way behind the times. Aussies have been wearing jeans for years. Though I don't think mine are a fashion statement. I wear mine to the very end. When a hole appears I get out some duct or finger tape and patch it up. My last pair had the whole crotch duct taped. Then I met a girl and had to upgrade.
I hope the US climbing mags do an annual edition totally devoted to fashion. NOT.

Sabu
21/08/2006
9:37:23 PM
On 21/08/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>Climbers will never be cool - no matter how hard we try.

something about the way we smell / dress / act / live ... the list goes on!?

Super Saiyan
21/08/2006
9:41:55 PM
I'm cool....

brat
22/08/2006
8:41:07 AM
On 21/08/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>On 20/08/2006 PreferKnitting wrote:
>>What's going on? Is this a climbing magz's idea of capturing female readers
>>or do they think that climbers really need to be cool? I'm confused...
>
>Climbers will never be cool - no matter how hard we try.
>
>>when's that locally made community run climbing magazine coming out?
>
>Its at the printers at the moment. Hopefully in the next few weeks!

I've been out of the loop, where will the mag be available from?

I find climbers are chameleons when away from crags, we tend to blend in until you notice the ecentricities....... constantly looking up, weird stretches when bored, grabbing overhangs (doorframes, furniture) and the dead giveaway...the constant distracted look from redoing "that move" in your mind from your bogie route, oh yeah, that healthy sort of healthy/outdoorsy/positive attitude that pisses others off!
crazyjohn
22/08/2006
2:01:42 PM
On 20/08/2006 PreferKnitting wrote:
>has anyone flicked through the latest Climber (UK) mag? it has a section
>on what's hot and what's not. For example, For the writer of Climbing magazine,
>what's hot: climbing with jeans with the cuffs upturned. What's not: Dean
>Potter climbing THAT arch. What's hot: girls bouldering hard with nail
>polish, waif thin and with perfect make up (ok, I made that one up), but
>for a moment I thought I was reading cosmo.
>
>What's going on? Is this a climbing magz's idea of capturing female readers
>or do they think that climbers really need to be cool? I'm confused...
>
>when's that locally made community run climbing magazine coming out?
>

Funny you mention this fashion advice in the Uk mag. Its in the US Climbing magazine as well. Its a little picture of "whats hot and whats not" in the bottom corner of a one page story on the consumate climbing bum Chongo Chuck who was just found guilty of illegally living in Yosemite. This one page illustrates a big split in climbers, at least in the states where there is more of a divide between the haves and the dirt poor... Its basically a look at the dichotomy in climbing between the yuppy/professional/rich/trendy/lifestyler climbers vs. the too busy climbing to work/eat/worry about freakin fashion/dirtbag/climbing bums. Most bums probably wouldnt be reading the magazine anyway... I was reading it at the library while printing online topos and checking out the local climbing guides. Guess I tipped my hand as to what side I fall in.

tnd
22/08/2006
4:44:40 PM
On 22/08/2006 crazyjohn wrote:
>Its basically
>a look at the dichotomy in climbing between the yuppy/professional/rich/trendy/lifestyler
>climbers vs. the too busy climbing to work/eat/worry about freakin fashion/dirtbag/climbin
> bums. Most bums probably wouldnt be reading the magazine anyway... I was
>reading it at the library while printing online topos and checking out
>the local climbing guides. Guess I tipped my hand as to what side I fall
>in.

What's with the inverted snobbery? Are you saying that because I and many other people work in well paid professional occupations and enjoy recreational climbing, we are somehow less worthy than the climbing bums?

Vertigo
22/08/2006
6:11:24 PM
oh dear...
dalai
Online Now
22/08/2006
6:52:40 PM
Crazyjohn pressing tnd's button...



The result...


Hatman
3/09/2006
8:38:27 AM
so, where is crux, i can't wait.

PreferKnitting
3/09/2006
10:51:20 AM
On 22/08/2006 crazyjohn wrote:
>Funny you mention this fashion advice in the Uk mag. Its in the US Climbing
>magazine as well. Its a little picture of "whats hot and whats not" in
>the bottom corner of a one page story on the consumate climbing bum Chongo
>Chuck who was just found guilty of illegally living in Yosemite. This one
>page illustrates a big split in climbers, at least in the states where
>there is more of a divide between the haves and the dirt poor... Its basically
>a look at the dichotomy in climbing between the yuppy/professional/rich/trendy/lifestyler
>climbers vs. the too busy climbing to work/eat/worry about freakin fashion/dirtbag/climbin
> bums. Most bums probably wouldnt be reading the magazine anyway... I was
>reading it at the library while printing online topos and checking out
>the local climbing guides. Guess I tipped my hand as to what side I fall
>in.


I thought that the article about 'what's hot and not' was strange because it seemed to empoly a technique that magazines like Cleo or Cosmo use to herald and tell readers what is in and out per month- that idea alone is another discussion of it's own. But in a climbing magazine shouldn't the focus be on, well, climbing? And to read that jeans are 'so in darling' seems even more offensive and trit and irrelevent in a climbing magazine. Climbing magz need to refocus and delve deep to find more worthy articles that could have taken up that space, because there are worthy and interesting articles out there.

As for the possible upcoming debate about 'what constitutes a climber and how you distinguish them from 'fake climbers' - well all I can say is, climbers are a bunch of misfits and therefeor a single definition would be hard to come by. Climbers with money and those climbers without are just one subcategory taht exists. But i dno't think money is the defining factor.

the article about Chongo Chuck and his outcome is unfortunate and I think his situation is an inadvertent result of parks bodies trying to protect the national park and control the number of people in it.

I'm glad i live in australia far from the yosemite circus.



PreferKnitting
3/09/2006
11:00:37 AM
On 22/08/2006 crazyjohn wrote:
Its in the US Climbing magazine as well. Its basically
>a look at the dichotomy in climbing between the yuppy/professional/rich/trendy/lifestyler
>climbers vs. the too busy climbing to work/eat/worry about freakin fashion/dirtbag/climbin
> bums.

Ah,, I just picked up on this sentence. you could be right. Maybe the magazine was trying to be funny or highlight this divide? Or maybe the magz have recently aquired a new editor (who came from Marie Claire) and their new format is to have a a one page spread about a thought provoking article and on the next page an article about this seasons colours 'what to wear so you don't get lost in the forest when being photographed'

Oh the vanity.

mousey
3/09/2006
3:10:07 PM
speaking of climbing mags, anyone seen the new R&I? flippen rocks!
uwhp510
4/09/2006
8:15:42 AM
On 22/08/2006 tnd wrote:

>What's with the inverted snobbery? Are you saying that because I and many
>other people work in well paid professional occupations and enjoy recreational
>climbing, we are somehow less worthy than the climbing bums?

Whats with caring how worthy or otherwise some random on the internet considers you?

ps I am a random on the internet so don't listen to me if you don't want to.

pps Maybe you know each other in which case this post is null and void.
Onsight
4/09/2006
6:20:00 PM
The latest issue of Alpinist magazine (#17) has one of their in-depth crag profiles on Arapiles. 18 pages and some funny historical shots... made all the funnier by the fashion 'sense' of the day...

cheesehead
6/09/2006
1:31:16 PM
I haven't seen that Alpinist yet. Were jeans with turned up cuffs in back then?
crazyjohn
8/09/2006
1:48:02 AM
On 22/08/2006 tnd wrote:

>What's with the inverted snobbery? Are you saying that because I and many
>other people work in well paid professional occupations and enjoy recreational
>climbing, we are somehow less worthy than the climbing bums?

Sorry about the lateness in reply. First of all, I admit that I do hold rich, trendy, lifestyler, fashion victims (slightly) in contempt in general. So I would poke fun at rock climbers (or anyone) that would have clothing choices influenced by an article on "climbing fashion". My position is not snobbery, but the desire to keep snobbery out of climbing. If sponsored climbers get money and free clothes from prada, great. If they give me free stuff, even better. Whatever, my point is that there is a chasm between dirtbag climbers and trendy rich climbers probably like in no other sport. Its not a huge deal, I climb with anyone, and if at the end of the day the rich climber buys me dinner and gives me gear thats cool. All I was doing was commenting on how this phenomenon was illustrated quite well on one page of Climbing magazine. It was almost like "heres chongo the bum, sorry if this bit of unpleasantness offends, please look at our fashion advice." This is actually pretty relevant to me because Im going to Yosemite(where chongo was evicted) for 6 weeks. Now the max stay in the valley is 1 week. If you live in a super expensive cabin, no problem, if you camp, you have to play cops and robbers with park rangers and could end up like chongo. You can see how quickly joking about fashion victims and lifestylers becomes pretty serious to the guy with no money who wants to climb.

nmonteith
8/09/2006
10:08:09 AM
I really don't think there is a clear destinction between dirtbag and 'trendy rich climbers'. I've certainly
been the lowest of low dirt bag climber in the past when i was on the dole and roadtripping - and would
probably fit into the 'rich' climber tag these days since i have a well paid professional job (no - not
surfing the net!). On longer overseas trip i switch to dirtbag mode (free camping, eating cheapest food,
not showering for weeks etc ect). When i am working I live in the inner city and live a city lifestyle
accordingly (nice food, clothes etc). Best of both worlds... IMHO. I can admit I like nice clothes and i
prefer to wear clothes that show i am vaguely an outdoorsy person. 'Designer' climbing clothes are
very successfully marketed and sold in Europe (most gear stores are like boutiques overe there!). I
don't usually wear my finest threads when i go climbing (i prefer my colorful bonds t-shirts and hard
yakka pants) - mainly because i don't want them to get torn to shreads and covered in glue! I run a
'hand-me-down- system - clothes bought for work then turn into day to day city clothes - then climbing
clothes then bolting clothes then finally they get torn up into rags to wipe away excess glue when
rebolting! my 2c anyway.

Eduardo Slabofvic
8/09/2006
10:12:30 AM
Playing cops and robers with the rangers in the Valley is the only way to truely experience climbing there.

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