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The greatest sandbags in Victoria 11-Aug-2003 At 1:48:39 PM DC

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Niel is really coping a serve about his interpretation of the Ewbank grading system. Frankly I find his grades about right. I don't really think it matters how you determine a grade for a new route as long it's within the realm of reality for that grade. I think those who want to give people a hard time about the grades they put against their climbs but have never put up a new route of their own, should respect the guidance of the first ascentionist and appreciate the effort and vision they have shown to put up the route. If you want some real sandbags try Moonarie as a general rule you will find that you climb 2 grades lower than you do in Vic. The point is that the grades are a guide only and as a guide they are very subjective. It's fun to push grades but it's the enjoyment of the route that really counts.

Niel, remember the sandbag at grade 24"Licorice all Sportz", well it's got nothing on some of the routes in Moonarie. I tried Wild Child as Moonarie and it easily felt harder to me than De La Soul (26) at Van Demonds.

Have fun and don't stress about the grade.